Wine Temperature

I've read several discussions about wine temperature. I have learned over the years that red wine served over 65F has more of an alcoholic taste. I read several other posts about a wine thermometer that attaches to the bottle.

Interesting I typed in

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to see if the domain was available. And found a liquid crystal display model that clips onto the bottle. I'm not sure how accurate it is or whether or not measuring the outside of bottle gives a good representation of the inside wine temperature.

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Dan
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"Dan" wrote in news:1133366982.617109.258570 @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

Oh, for pete's sake. "I have a wine-related website. I think it's a good marketing idea to pretend tht I found a cool site. Maybe I can sell something to those chumps at alt.food.wine."

Domain Name: in2wine.com Registrar: Name.net LLC

Expiration Date: 2006-10-27 14:16:06 Creation Date: 2005-10-27 14:16:06

Name Servers: NS1.NAME.NET NS2.NAME.NET

REGISTRANT CONTACT INFO Farnan,Daniel...

or is it " snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com"?

If you people would come out and be honest, you might get my business; as it is, my feeling is that if you will lie about who you are, then why should I bother?

d who is a former fraud investigator...

Reply to
enoavidh

Well, De, we don't want to jump to conclusions, but your case is a pretty strong one:

  1. Registrant's address is in Burlington, NJ and poster's IP address traces to somewhere near Trenton, NJ
  2. They share the same first name

  1. snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com has never posted to this or any other Usenet newsgroup before

  2. Dan Farnan *does* have a Yahoo ID, but it's danfarnan, not dnanraph.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and not accuse him of spamming his own website. Instead, I'll just point out why such a product is

*completely* unnecessary ;-)

  1. The people who developed the guidelines for wine serving temperature were certainly not putting a thermometer inside the bottle to figure out what temperature the wine was at; they were just using general temperature figures: room temp (~65 F), cellar temp (~50 F), chilled (~35 F). Anything more precise is overkill.

  2. It isn't exactly rocket science to figure out if a bottle is warm, cool or cold by simply touching it.

  1. The temperature on the outside of the bottle may or may not reflect the temperature of the wine. Unfortunately, the extent of difference is governed by a partial differential equation (the heat or diffusion equation) that depends on the initial temp of the wine, the temp of the surroundings, the size of the bottle and the heat capacity of all the materials -- in practical terms, it's best not to even attempt to solve this.

The bottom line: feel the bottle. If it's a full-bodied red, it should be slightly cool to the touch; if it's a big white or lighter red it should be quite cool; if it's a lighter white it should be cold but not ice cold. No need for any thermometer IMO.

HTH ;-) Mark Lipton

p.s. Why is it that whenever people want to post "anonymously" to Usenet, they use Google groups, who dutifully put the poster's IP address in the headers? Is there some website giving bogus instructions on how to spam Usenet or something??

Reply to
Mark Lipton

Hi Mark, I have a device that clips around the bottle, and also a temperature "probe" that is inserted into the bottle after opening. I don't use either one and I would certainly agree with "feel the bottle".

Dick R.

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Dick R.

in article dmkort$r55$ snipped-for-privacy@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu, Mark Lipton at snipped-for-privacy@eudrup.ude wrote on 11/30/05 9:51 AM:

Mark,

Not sure if you noted that "dnanraph" is "pharnand" spelled backwards. "D Pharnan" vs. "Dan Farnan"??? Too close for coincidence, I'd bet.

Not worth the discussion really, but this guy is creative anyway. In the end, if anyone clicks on his site, he's ahead of the game.

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Midlife

] enoavidh wrote: ] ] > Oh, for pete's sake.

Succinctly put!

[] ] 1. The people who developed the guidelines for wine serving temperature ] were certainly not putting a thermometer inside the bottle to figure out ] what temperature the wine was at; they were just using general ] temperature figures: room temp (~65 F), cellar temp (~50 F), chilled ] (~35 F). Anything more precise is overkill. ] ] 2. It isn't exactly rocket science to figure out if a bottle is warm, ] cool or cold by simply touching it. ]

This business of the "correct" temperature is vastly over-rated, anyway. The point is to experience maximum pleasure from the drink; which for most true sybarites involves more gusto and less analysis. Enjoy already, and quit kvetching.

] 3. The temperature on the outside of the bottle may or may not reflect ] the temperature of the wine. Unfortunately, the extent of difference is ] governed by a partial differential equation (the heat or diffusion ] equation) that depends on the initial temp of the wine, the temp of the ] surroundings, the size of the bottle and the heat capacity of all the ] materials -- in practical terms, it's best not to even attempt to solve ] this. ]

Are you implying, sir, that the whole problem is caused by the French? Not only do they perfect (one might argue) the art of wine making, they go ahead and come up with the analytical theory of heat (diffusion)? :) And insist on 50 C cellars??

Actually Fourier's book is surprisingly accessible to the layman. It was included in the "Great Books" series that my folks had, and I was able to take a reasonable whack at it in high school with only basic calculus. He has a very physical and geometrical approach to the whole problem. I confess I had an easier time of it in real analysis, but the book does convey some of the beauty of boundary value pde's without insisting on more arcane variational techniques.

Totally useless when it comes to the thoroughly tactile decision of "is it warm/cold enough?"

] The bottom line: feel the bottle. If it's a full-bodied red, it should ] be slightly cool to the touch; if it's a big white or lighter red it ] should be quite cool; if it's a lighter white it should be cold but not ] ice cold. No need for any thermometer IMO. ]

Some one gave me one once. I've never used it.

] HTH ;-) ] Mark Lipton ] ] p.s. Why is it that whenever people want to post "anonymously" to ] Usenet, they use Google groups, who dutifully put the poster's IP ] address in the headers? Is there some website giving bogus instructions ] on how to spam Usenet or something??

Why do tennis players wear white shorts?

Oh well. Adele's on the road, I might as well go and finish the bottle! :)

-E

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Emery Davis

LOL!

Actually, I'd think first of D'Alambert, another Frenchie, whose solution applies both to this pde and the wave equation IIRC.

agreed

Because they'd be arrested for indecent exposure if they didn't, silly!

Mark Lipton

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Mark Lipton

Midlife wrote in news:BFB33FED.FDCF% snipped-for-privacy@cox.net:

Just makes me *cranky* :P

Anyways, the FAQ, which seems to be miss "3.2 If I work in the wine business, am I welcome to post on alt.food.wine?

Absolutely! Alt.food.wine welcomes all people who are interested in wine. Although alt.food.wine is a noncommercial group, we have many contributors who are in the trade, and we value their knowledge and opinions. ->>>However, you should be careful to keep your contributions from becoming "stealth ads" for your business (group members are generally smart enough to notice). If you are commenting on a subject in which you have some financial interest (e.g. you are describing a wine which you import or distribute), it is a good idea to disclose your connection in your post."

Reply to
enoavidh

[SNIP]

[SNIP]

And, with far too many restaurants in the US, be prepared to let any bottle of white wine sit on the table, and ask for an ice bucket for almost every red. There are exceptions, of course, but "ice-cold" whites and "kitchen-temp" reds are all too common. [Just a pet peeve]

Hunt

PS, I gave up on the anal, analytical practice of monitoring the exact serving temp on my wine years ago, as it cut into my "drinking time." However, I'll admit that I did get hung up on it for some years, much to my regret.

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Hunt

] Emery Davis wrote: [] ] Actually, I'd think first of D'Alambert, another Frenchie, whose ] solution applies both to this pde and the wave equation IIRC. ]

Really? I don't recall seeing the wave equation applied here, although it's certainly a classic (and attractive) boundary value problem. Could be wrong, of course. If I had seen your post last night after the Vinsobres I'd probably have been tempted to dig out some references, but in the cold light of day other subjects seem more pressing... :) (Was just demonstrating standing wave frequencies to my kids with a slinky the other day, something all kids love to see and do. I forgot to mention d'Alambert!)

[] ] > Why do tennis players wear white shorts? ] ] Because they'd be arrested for indecent exposure if they didn't, silly! ] ]

Ah ha!

Back on topic, our house has settled down to the regular 60F it holds during the winter months. I can get a bottle a little higher than that by sticking it right next to the fire, but otherwise "red too warm" is not really a problem in the fog shrouded forests of Normandy.

Hmm, think I'll put another sweater on.

-E

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Emery Davis

I once got a wine thermometer

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but can't say I've ever really seen the need.

Reply to
DaleW

Good call. I'd tried rearranging letters but got stuck on "dna" for "dan" and missed the obvious. OK, so he's a spammer...

Agreed about the former, but clicks on his website won't add a penny to sales. Unless they sell advertising to others (doubtful) all the traffic could do is bog down their server. ;-)

Mark Lipton

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Mark Lipton

in article TNDjf.584328$x96.558274@attbi_s72, Mark Lipton at snipped-for-privacy@eudrup.ude wrote on 12/1/05 6:30 AM:

I understand, but was thinking that a click on his site is an 'impact/rergistration' of whatever it's selling. I haven't clicked on it myself, but would think the page that comes up shows the name/product and it registers with the viewer. That's step one in what he wants. If that weren't basically valid I wouldn't be getting 50+ spam e-mails every day on my regular e-mail address. I doubt anyone here would help his sales, but the whole point of spam marketing is to saturate and hope for some small response %.

Just as an aside...... The particular e-mail address I use here is used ONLY on AFW, so the only way it gets picked up is by 'skimmers'. I delete an average of 200 spam messages per day from this mailbox.

Reply to
Midlife

Hi Dan Nanraph Here,

OK - My FIRST attempt at spamming was a total failure.

You can't believe how red/blush my face was when I started to read those posts. Yes my name is Dan Farnan from Burlington NJ. I run a business that distributes temperature alarms, sensors, controls and recording equipment called TIP TEMPerature Products. I just picked the web domain In2Wine.com to market that wine thermometer and other temperature devices.

There....glad I got that off my chest. As for temperature - I'll be glad to discuss anyone's technical questions, methods or techniques. I have met plenty of human thermometers in my day.

BTW, We provide temperature recorders and alarm systems to several wineries and individuals with home wine cellars.

I can't help marketing my products.....It puts bread on the table and I like red wine with my bread.

Warm Regards, Dan Farnan

p.s. ( you guys are good ! )

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Dan

When are you going to have content on your new site ???

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Donald

Having a hard time with the name.net and proper DNS setting. ( I'll figure it out )

Here is another link:

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Thanks for checking!

Dan

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Dan

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