Paul E. Lehmann

Dear Paul,
May every glass of wine you drink from today remind you of the blood
The Lord Jesus Christ spilt for your forgiveness.
Whether you enjoy it or not I leave with you, this is in your hands.
Though I pray that you will know this as the blessing Christian's know
at His table.
Carol T
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Carol T
Carol, You have my home email address. This is a personnal message. There is no reason to broadcast it to the world. In the future, if you have a personnal message for me, I ask you to deliver it personally. You have already professed your beliefs in off topic posts on various newsgroups. Stick to the subject, please.
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Paul E. Lehmann
How do you know?
It is a personal message.
She can if she chooses.
You certainly may ask it. However, it would remain her choice to comply.
Personally, I think it is nice that she professes her love for you publically.
Kind of like skywriting :-)
So have you.
Seems like you are the subject in this thread.
Humbly,
Andrew
-- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" scribed upon the newsgroup scroll news: snipped-for-privacy@heartmdphd.com:
Sure she can do whatever she chooses, but just because she can doesn't make it proper. The object of the initial post is correct, there's no reason for one person to "broadcast to the world" what she thinks another's religious position is. A public forum is never the appropriate place for what is obviously a personal message directed to one person, regardless of the topic. As Christians, we have an obligation to spread the gospel into all the world, but not at the expense of those to whom we are spreading the Word.
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Allen McBroom
Correct.
That's why probably Carol did not charge Mr. Lehmann a fee for the service.
Humble bond-servant of Christ,
Andrew
-- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dear Paul,
The subject is the 'wine' you will drink, and the 'heart' you have touched.
You sent a message to a public newsgroup on 18/09/2003 which I read and cannot take away from you; nor can I remove the hurt it caused me except through giving you this gift of remembrance and forgiveness.
"In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." NKJ 1Cr 11:25
"Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit." 1Cr 12:3
If you curse Jesus, even if you personally think that He is not God's Son, then you are not a Jew but a none-believer; for a true Jew in faith loves their neighbours and will not hurt their hearts. If you are not a Jew in faith (as a Gentile), then you can only come to God through the Saviour for the forgiveness of your sin.
Because you have had a heavy heart you 'have' been given what you wanted most from Him. It is good news for you and something to share with others, not to be hidden away.
Carol T
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Carol T
Actually, it doesn't much matter what you wrote.
If the newsgroups you posted to wanted to talk about religion, they'd be religious newsgroups. They aren't.
If you don't want to discuss the topics relevant to the newsgroups, then with all due respect - beat it or take it offlist.
Karen
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Karen Heim
Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:12:58 -0600 in article
Exactly. Are you listening Carol T? We are getting extremely tired and fed up with your endless religious babble. Take it to religious newsgroups where it belongs. Otherwise we may have to report you to your ISP.
-- Matti Narkia
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Matti Narkia
I don't know about Carol, but I am sure God is listening, Matti.
What is God hearing from your heart?
Why do Carol's words hurt your ears (eyes), Matti?
Or keep it here if she chooses.
Speak for yourself.
You remain in my prayers, neighbor.
May you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior someday.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
-- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
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-- Who is the humblest person in the universe?
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
well put, Allen.
In my experience, when trying to share one's faith in Jesus, it is almost always the most effectively done in the context of a kind, caring relationship where trust is being built or has been built up. Bill Hybel's book: "Becoming a Contagious Christian" also talks about people finding a natural style of sharing one's faith in a way that is not only suitable for the person but also suitable for the situation.
Perhaps some of the seeds that have been placed here by people such as Carol T. or Dr. Andy will take root someday, especially when something that seems or sounds really bizarre just kind of nags at one's conscience...until there's one of those "aha" moments of understanding and acceptance. But in my other experiences, sharing one's faith in an argumentative way doesn't really do much to change one person's mind. I think of Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons who've come to my door...arguing gets you no where, but instead makes everyone defensive, and when you're defensive, there's not much chance of creating the kind of atmosphere that's receptive to the message much less the messenger.
What's finally come on this winemaking list is something, as I've seen, has been going on quite a while on the cardiology site.. It sounds like the good news has been shared... the seed has been planted.... but now it's time to let go and let God...
just my 2 cents worth...
Rick
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Rick Vanderwal
As a frequent lurker, occasional poster and card carrying Vicar of Fred on Earth (VoFoE), I declare this entire thread hopelessly off-topic and a complete waste of bandwidth. Take it to email or face the Wrath of Fred.
Gabriel Calling Down Thunderbolts on the Heathen since 1983
(PS: I asked God how He felt about OT newsgroup posts and he declared Himself to be Not Amused. I'd take that as a warning if I were you.)
ObWine: I was bottling a "California Red" Superstore wine kit last week and got half way through when I realized that my rat bastard brother in law had never returned the dozen bottles he borrowed last July, and consequently I still have about 5 bottles worth. I siphoned it into a 1 gal (Imp) container but it is only 3/4 full. I therefore have three questions:
1. How long will it take for the remaining wine to oxidize to the point of undrinkableness? 2. Is "undrinkableness" a real word? 3. Will it help to put it outside? It has been -40 Celsius for a week now, and I'm thinking that 15-20 minutes out in that and this wine should be about as cold stabilized as it's ever going to get.
Cheers,
G
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Gabriel
Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:52:51 -0500 in article
Same applies to you Chung boy, if you don't stop your religious babble you will be reported to your ISP. That's a promise.
-- Matti Narkia
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Matti Narkia
What are you afraid of, Matti?
Still praying for you, neighbor :-)
FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message. Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not request that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about reading this message, a few suggestions:
(1) Yell at Matti (2) Report Matti to his ISP (3) Killfile this thread. (4) Killfile me. (5) Read about free speech.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
-- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Appreciate your comments, Rick. And I largely agree :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
-- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
As opposed to the Chung/Gramma M_ooooo approach. It's called the "Show them how loving Jesus is by irrational and malicious attacks, and deceptive practices." Has a much better effectiveness quotient. Nearly as good as the "All-Grapefruit Diet."
Just the way the apostles did it, huh?
Bob
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Bob

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