Looks like CAMRA's 'penny off beer duty' campaign has been a roaring success then! Though in the current prohibitionist climate, I suppose any concessions to us evil drinkers were unlikely.
ISTM that the new chancelor is only following the ex-chancelor's lead.
Same old + punitive anti-booze (as long as he gets his whisky) stance.
NB the House of Commons has loads of bars "selling" tax-free booze to the MPs
4p does seem excessive but it's nothing compared to what you'll actually be paying in the pub. The rule of thumb seems to be that a 1p increase in duty leads to 5p on the price of a pint. This is because everyone tries to get a slice of the action (the government more than most because of course they add a further tax to the budget tax increase)
And the breweries have forewarned us of surging prices in the barley and hops market.
Anyone hazard a guess as to the price of a pint by the end of the year?
Well, I paid £3 for a pint of ordinary cask beer for the first time last weekend (Everards Pitch Black. 4.4%, The Blenheim, Oxford).
Actually I think most landlords will try to absorb this, at least in the short term. Many pubs have suffered a serious collapse in trade since last autumn, partly due to the smoking ban but more importantly because of the increasing disparity between pub and supermarket prices. A significant cultural shift seems to have taken place and many people who previously saw home drinking as taboo ('I never keep drink at home') have now started doing it. This isn't good for pubs or public health.
Paul
We're paying anything from £2 - £2.50 in Yorkshire (£1.49 - £1.69 in JDW outlets). I'm anticipating prices approaching your Oxfordshire prices by the end of the year. I hope pubs can absorb any increase. It would be nice to see pubcos reducing their exorbitant rent and helping their tenants.(Of the 57 pubs being lost every month, I'd bet the vast majority are pubco controlled)
In message , Paul Sherwin wrote
I 've changed my drinking habits this year - I've drunk more at home since this Christmas than I have previously drunk at home in 4 or 5 years. I've never smoked so that hasn't driven me away from visiting pubs on a regular basis. It's because publicans have become so greedy and have raised prices far higher than inflation - and even with high prices they have problems serving anything that is a pleasure to drink.
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I think the new chancellor is _ON_ the old Chancellor's lead!
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As I have a large stash of malt in the garage and home grown hops, mine will still cost little more than 4p/pint to brew :-)
I started brewing my own real ale when I first moved to Scotland. In our district - far north of Scotland - there was only one real ale bar within 90 miles of us and of course they charged premium prices. I could not abide the fizzy pasteurised keg poo so it was brew or die of thirst. The plethora of distilleries in the north meant that I was able to buy bulk malted barley from a local maltsters very cheaply and in those days hops were cheap too.
When I started brewing I bought a hand pump (beer engine) for a few quid from an auction, bought some new seals for it & polished the brass and now I can enjoy real ale at home any day of the week. If I really want the pub atmosphere I can tip a pint over the coffee table, switch on my battered old Rock Ola jukebox and shout above the din to the wife, who will be drinking her home made wine from grapes grown in the polytunnel :-)
Beat the taxman - brew yer own!
I am on very easy speaking terms with my local real landlord and he assures me that price increases are down to the failed crops, the rise in fuel and distribution costs. About 2 months ago he increased his price for a pint of real ale from £2-40 to £2-60. Some of his regulars boycotted the pub. He told me on the day of the budget that he would not be increasing his prices as he had seen it coming. He has 9 hand pumps and sometimes, you are stuck for choice as to what to order first :-)
To give an example, a nine of JHB can be emptied within less than 6 hours.
Dave
And the price of the beer in the supermarket is?
JDW have stuck and advertising leaflet through my front door with Green King Abbot at £1.26 pint in their pubs.
£1.26 per pint in one pub and £3 for the same pint in pubs less than quarter of a mile away just shows that the hype about the increased cost fuel, distribution and materials leading to large increases in prices is pure bullshit.
Subsidised by the breweries charging more to pubs...
A local landlord (tied) showed me his invoices from the brewery, meanwhile the local managed house of the same brewery was selling beer at that price.
I won't bother naming the brewery - they all do it.
and of course a good crop next will result in a fall in beer price.
Yeah, thought not.
Talking to local micro brewers, they appear to have been waiting for the Budget before raising their prices to cover extra materials costs.No point in raising prices twice. The 4p will go on to the price of a cask ; add on a 50% normal mark up level by the pub and then add VAT.Looks like 10p at least on top of the 10% already in the pipeline to coner malt,hops and fuel increases.
In message , Steven Pampling wrote
No - it's the real cost of beer including production costs and distribution and excess profiteering by the pubs. While the pub trade has always charged what the 'market is prepared to pay' they shouldn't now be complaining when their customers start buying from other sources or stop visiting their premises. IMO the trade did themselves no favours at the beginning of the year when they stated that beer would be £4 in pubs this year.
If the brewery were selling to a true free house in the area I bet the price to that publican would be less.
£1.60 - £1.80 a bottle in my local Tesco. Up to £2.something for their Tesco Finest belgian beer.
What amazes me is that you can get 20 cans of some crap like Fosters for £10, and yet pay £3.20/pint in the pub. But that doesn't bother me so much :)
All supermarkets run loss leaders :-)
Dave
In message , Dave wrote
They would still be selling the beer at higher price than the breweries sold it to them.
A selling price of 70p/pint for a top branded lager in a supermarket means they probably bought it in, at most, at 50/60p (incl VAT) .
This is the price at which the brewers makes a profit and includes the cost of ingredients, fuel and distribution.
Add a 100% mark-up for pub prices = £1/£1.20 per pint and not the £3+ the pubs are charging. The pub industry is ripping off customers to the tune of £1 to £2 per pint already so there is no justification for additional price rises.!
Landlords in tied pubs pay much, much more than that for beer. For example, a GK tenant will be paying maybe £90 for a 9 of IPA which will give 65 saleable pints if you're lucky. That's about £1.30 per pint. Typical licensed trade markup of 100% gives a retail price of £2.60 a pint. The same 9 of IPA can be less than £50 to the free trade, and even less to people like Wetherspoons who negotiate big discounts.
Of course, pubcos and breweries shouldn't be ripping off their tenants like this, but they do.
Paul (not a pub tenant thank God)
Why should the public support stupid publicans who buy beer at twice the market value? Too many people in the trade believe that the rest of us owe them a living but offer nothing in return.
All to often they sell poor quality beer in poor condition at premium prices and expect us to the come back for more.
In the current climate a boycott of tied pubs will result in prices that are more reasonable.
It's debatable if you can get a single pint of saleable beer from a 9 of GK IPA. However, most GK pubs around my way will easily get 80 pints from a 9!
More like £2.90 with short measures.
JDW are adverting GK IPA at £1.09 pint and Abbot at £1.29. This is the true market value for these brands and anywhere charging much more is ripping us off.
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:20:35 +0000, Alan wrote (in message ):
Wasn't that just the British Beer & Pub Association (voice of the big chains) softening us up for £3.00 a pint?
When we don't see £4/pint in average pubs this year we'll be thinking "what a great job they've done keeping the price low for us". Yeah right.
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