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In message , Paul Sherwin wrote

Surely the Budvar sold in the UK is no more 'Real' than the A-B Bud? Why the prejudice against one fizzy beer and not the other?

Does the phrase "the 'Bud' sold in the UK, is a bad copy of a bad American copy of an interesting Czech pilsner style beer" give you any clues?

"Real Ale" is a term for UK style beer brewed in particular manner and allowed to condition and then be served from a container which includes the live yeast that produced it.

This doesn't make *decently* produced beers from elsewhere bad although I dare say that drinking a glass of unpasteurised Budvar direct from a container which included live yeast might be more interesting than a bottle of the stuff. However, simple comparison by anyone with tastebuds will determine that Budvar is better than "Bud"

BTW. I have tasted the two and do know which I prefer, just I have tasted a variety of world ranging keg products, allegedly kept at their best, at the brewers showpiece competition in Burton. Most were simply bland rather than offensive.

In message , Steven Pampling wrote

Not really, as a blind tasting of both fizzy beers would reveal that there is little difference. I haven't seen Budvar sold in the UK as a 'Real' beer!

Why doesn't the GBBF have a decent unpasteurised Budvar direct from a container rather than the bottled fizzy version?

Have YOU actually tried both in a blind tasting? I guess not.

I personally find that fizzy bottled Budvar, despite the hyped-up CAMRA publicity, rather disappointing compared to the a lot of beers found locally.

Why does a mediocre fizzy beer from abroad seem to attract more campaigning effort than an equivalent British Real Ale that is being axed because of corporate policy? What is more important - a minority interest Real Ale or a foreign keg beer?

And we all know that the last place you want to taste beer kept at its best is at a beer festival.

Many of the Real Ales I have tasted in that last month have been somewhat inoffensive. I am getting rather p****d off when going to pubs to find beers that have different names but are same rubbish that some breweries push out all of the time. Is the ticker mentality actually destroying a choice of having a quality beers to drink?

If the quality of Real Ale doesn't improve for the majority of people that try it then keg beers like Bud/Budvar will always have a large market.

Please do. When you drink a pint of real ale, you'll be drinking something that makes you think "I really must try some more of that", rather than "Christ this is crap, but everybody else drinks it, so there must be some reason why they do". Yes there is - AB spend millions marketing the stuff. Well they'd have to wouldn't they.

Brian

The Dog is very popular with serious drinkers nationwide. It's their pub carry out of choice, and they drink it in the pub when the farmhouse cider's run out. I've never really understood this since it isn't all that strong and isn't cheap either.

Doctor: Are you drinking more than 21 units? Patient: It depends what sort of day I've had :-)

Best regards, Paul

-- Paul Sherwin Consulting

It was reputed to contain all the nutritional elements necessary to life which meant that the serious drinkers didn't need to eat. Some attempted to prove the point.

On a slightly more serious note, I've noticed over the years that some regular heavy drinkers actually eat very little. This may be what gives rise to the "large gut, sparrow legs" physique that many of them seem to have.

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"The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of civilisation in any country." (Winston Churchill)

I have to agree with you that it certainly isn't "real" beer in the sense we understand it within the context of this newsgroup, but it is "real" beer in the sense that it's made with authentic ingredients, and it's not an unpleasant drop either, especially compared to its US namesake - though it's not nearly as great as some people would have you believe.

d.

Budvar is not a Pilsner, nor even a "Pilsner style" beer, and as far as I know it has never claimed to be. Pilsner comes from Pilsen, in the north of the country, whereas Budvar is from Budejovice, in the south of the country, and is a different style - smoother and maltier.

Not that this has any bearing on whether it is a "real" beer or not, nor whether it is any good. I merely mention it as an interesting, if somewhat pedantic point.

d.

You mean like Bill Werbeniuk the snooker player? :-)

Brian

Er, I think Bill W had the "large gut, tree-trunk legs" physique.

Otherwise, I'm naming no names...

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"The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of civilisation in any country." (Winston Churchill)

At the risk of jumping across to another thread perhaps that happened, and explains why GK IPA scored well.

The brewex I mentioned was displaying some of the most poorly kept real ales I have come across in a couple of decades. If that is what the people in the industry do at their flagship event perhaps things are better left to "amateurs"

That said the best beer in pubs is nurtured by the efforts of true amateurs. (In the love and care sense of the word)

In message , Steven Pampling wrote

I've had poorly kept beers at a brewery!