Question for Ripon

It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Michael Plant stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

Actually, without the owner's permission, than can obtain an injunction to stop you from making copies of the album with their content on it.

You have no right to distribute it without permission, even if you are sending them royalty checks.

Michael:

Thanks Michael. I am answering your comment because it is related with my question. As far as I understand-nobody writes a book with out knowing about copy right law. if anyone is so interested about law, they better browse some related web sites. Why here? Did i ask anyone about copy right law?

So please if anyone want to help me with your meaningful advice you are most welcome. I have my highest respect to all the tea lovers around here. It is your choice. Thanks again.

Ripon (From Bangladesh)

No need to make this discussion so hypothetical. Remember my great new marketing idea I came up with in response to one of Candie's posts? Here it is again, slightly edited:

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One highlight:

"Tropical Fruit Tea Sampler #1

This is the best way to try a group of our different Flavored teas. You get 1 oz bags of 5 different loose teas. Teas included: Coconut Pina Colada Pineapple Mango Banana"

I like to make these with lots of sugar, freeze in ice-cube trays, and then whirl in a blender with a little leftover tea. I call it "Daiqui-tea"! It's like a Slurpee for gourmets!

...if you use my name "Daiqui-tea", Candie, I'll sue your ass for copyright infringement.

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Let's say Candie, enterprising businesswoman she is, decides to go ahead and steal this piece of brilliance and open up a chain of hugely successful Daiqui-Tea stands -- naming them "Daiqui-Tea", mind you -- in malls everywhere. Would she truly be guilty of copyright infringement just by virtue of my coming up with the name first? More importantly, could I, in fact, sue Candie's ass? For money?

--crymad

My books are packed at the moment, but I believe the copyright law underwent substantial revision in 1976 and 2001 (the latter known as the Sonny Bono Act).

Now, it may be that there was, or is, a clearing house for music rights, such that all you had to do to record a song that was listed with them was to register with the clearing house. That would, however, amount to getting permission. Would your experience apply to songs not so listed?

dmh

No. You would be claiming ownership of a single word and of an idea that you did not register. Now, if you had registered Daiqui-Tea as a trademark, you would have grounds for a suit. But you can't copyright a single word.

dmh

Darn. Well, this still doesn't rule out the option of _kicking_ Candie's ass, does it? Behind her flagship Daiqui-Tea stand out by the dumpster?

--crymad

"David M. Harris" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@corp.supernews.com:

I'm far from an authority on this, but I believe it has something to do with performance rights organizations such as BMI, ASCAP and SESAC.

The usual thing for songwriters, I think, is not to sit and wait for people to come ask "permission"--just to send in the money. That's what I'd want, anyway :O) The performance right orgs exist to facilitate this.

I may be wrong about the permission thing, but it does seem to me that having to ask please every single time a song is performed or whatever would be a impedement to the flow of money, and what hungry songwriter (or publisher) would want that?

Possibly useful information here:

DerekXns94367A5FC4E7Cdagwinn@130.133.1.411/17/03 13: snipped-for-privacy@gwinn.us

Aha. Misunderstanding, caused by me, I suspect. I was *not* referring to copying albums in any format; I was referring to producing the same song, sung by a different singer.

Michael

David M. snipped-for-privacy@corp.supernews.com11/17/03

I'm afraid I don't have more specific information, nor did I ever, beyond the bare fact. Anyway, I'm sure there are lots of subtleties behind it, as you suggest.

You plug in copyright+Berne in Google Usenet you get 56k hits. In this case add another one. I'm not going there again. Anyway Berne is one of the top

Jim

It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Michael Plant stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

In which case, you still would need permission of the person or organization holding copyright to the lyrics and score.

It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

Remember you still need permission to use anyone's opinion for a book. For example don't assume tepid tea temperatures for certain teas or multiple infusions for others are part of the public domain. It's only discussed in this ng. The rest of the world boils water for tea. You'll never find in any publication about altitude and the effects for making tea. I could go on and on on the wealth of knowledge specific to this group. So take your panhandling somewhere else.

Jim

It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

A "wealth of knowledge", much of which came from somewhere else.

For example, I learned about water temperature and multiple infusions from my local tea shop, not from this newsgroup.

Just because it isn't online elsewhere and it isn't published does not make it "knowledge specific to this group."

There's a lot of people in the world who drink tea, and most of them don't post here.

Derek:

Thats a very important point. Some one here always forget it.

Ripon (From Bangladesh)

U.S. Copyright law says nothing about putting in a phone call to Bruno and having someone kneecapped.

dmh

There's a big difference between suggestions in the group on better cups of tea from multiple infusions and the market practice of selling expensive teas to gullible customers suggesting they recoup their costs by reusing the leaves. The rest of the world doesn't buy tea from a website or tea shoppe.

Jim

Remember you need his permission to use that in a book. Idjut.

Jim

It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

Yes, so? What the heck does this have to do with copyright of usenet posts, especially considering that I've had the same conversation offline?

The "rest of the world" doesn't post here, either. That doesn't mean that our ideas are unique or necessarily original.