air exposure

Nov 06, 2004 11 Replies

The question about the Isle of Jura Superstition brought back in my mind a topic that has been up in this NG earlier: The effect of air exposure, both in the glass and in the opened bottle.



I recently experienced an extreme example of this with a Signatory Laphroaig, and wrote something about it here. No one bothered to comment, so I venture to try again. I really would appreciate it if someone has similar or different experiences or wiewpoints to share.



First to the glass: I've tried to take notes for some time, now, and among other things I try to notice changes when adding water. (You know, the whisky might open up, become rounder/sweeter, more smoky etc., or again maybe nothing much happens except that it becomes more watery..). Now, I belong to those who often find the whisky best when not diluted. Then I often find that the same changes that I have noted happening when using water occurs also when the whisky is just given some time in the glass, exposed to air. Well, often, not allways..: Yesterday I had the Balvenie Single Barrel 15 for the first time, and while I found water to subdue the dry oak character (and bring out some sweetness and possibly some flower in the finish), I found air exposure to enhance the oak. I have seen a lot of tasting notes dealing with effects of water, why is the effect of air so little commented upon?



Secondly the opened bottle: I guess most people will agree that when a half emptied bottle sits on the shelf for, say, half a year or more, the whisky will usually slowly become duller. This is my experience also. But I often find positive changes to begin with. I'm talking about the first couple of weeks to the first couple of months. The Isle of Jura Superstition is in my opinion a good example that not only bad things happen in an opened bottle over time. And the Signatory Laphroaig I mentioned really went through changes. (For the record: 1988 UCF, 46%, destilled 16.03.88, bottled



23.01.04, cask no. 3613). When I had just opened it, the nose was like a raw genever (fusel?) and nothing much more, and the palate was rather onedimensional. After a few weeks I noticed a clear improvement, and after about four months the change was amazing. The genever-fusel was all gone, and what remained was a fresh, fine, dry, good Laphroaig. Then, sadly, it also went dull rather quickly. Well, this was an extreme example, but in my experience, lots of whiskies improves the first weeks or months after opening the bottle, before they slowly starts to deteriorate.

I also have to say I find the phenomenon difficult to understand: I mean, when ageing in the cask, surely the whisky is in some degree exposed to air (the cask *breathing*), and even if it's in a limited degree, it goes on for many years. Strange then, that a few weeks in an opened bottle can bring about noticable changes. (Not to mention 15-30 minutes in a glass!)



Comments/opinions anyone?



Gunnar


I once bought a bottle of Something (Longrow I think) from Loch Fyne Whiskies. The chap who runs the shop is an absolute star and as he handed me the bottle he said something like "you'll enjoy that when it's down to the shoulders". As I recall, he was dead right.

What disturbs me about your comments is that I keep bottles for ages. I try to have lots open at once but make them last as long as I can - rather than drinking them one at a time in less time. By the sound of it, I might be doing myself no favours. I had a limited edition Caol Ila given to me when my daughter was born (6 years ago)and there's only about 2 inches left - but I'm loathe to finish it.

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Yes, well, it's a good idea to decant over to smaller bottles when a bottle is opened. (175ml, 250ml, what you can find). Then you can keep samples for many years with minimum exposure to air.

Gunnar

If there's only 2 inches left you might want to put those into a miniature bottle. TOO much air and too much time will make a whisky less than sublime--and if it rhymes, it must be true. But I'll bet the Caol Ila is still enjoyable, as those Islays tend to be able to handle it (I'll append what I wrote in response to the 'sherry' thread here).

======================>>>That is the first time I ever heard someone suggest to let Scotch

I definitely think so--and breathing time is more days and weeks than it is "one minute per year" as some people say about wines. I think some big Islays get much bigger, broader and deeper after even a period of months in an open bottle (whereas some more delicate whiskies get flatter and stale after too long in an open bottle--particularly if there is more air than whisky in the bottle). I opened an Ardbeg 10 last night, and after sampling it royally, looked forward to what it would be like after being open for a few weeks.

Hi all, I'm new to the group and relatively new to (malt) whisky. I'm probably cursing or kicked out of this group right away, but why not use the VacuVin system? It's the system ment fot wine bottles to pump the air out of the bottle, so why not use it with a whisky bottle. (I even used it in my photography darkroom for years)

Greetz, Frank Viergever.

I have heard of other using techniques like that or filling it with Nitrogen (air with no oxygene)

Personally I'll try to keep the number of opened bottles down, and whenever a bottle is less than half-full I will hurry (It means I will go for those instead of any of the others). The side effect is more space on my shelf :-)

Steffen

I have had two different types--both which involve a rubber stopper and a suction pump. I've found that they tend to work, but sometimes there is air seepage--and since with whiskies the plugs have to stay on for weeks or months at a time for me, they are just not reliable enough.

Some time ago I did a blind head to head with two Ardbeg 17's (and 6 friends) one from a freshly opened bottle and one from a bottle that had been open for about 6 months...

Very different whiskys ... nobody could tell that they were ostensably the same thing.

The verdict was mixed as to which was prefered.

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It's interesting that the verdict was mixed. Changes occur, that's for sure. I normally appreciate the early changes, but not the long time effect. But in each instance this will probably be a question of personal taste, very much like the question of using water or not.

And what makes a "long time" will differ from whisky to whisky. Now, Ardbeg is a peaty Islay, and as Douglas W. Hoyt said in the Isle of Jura-postings earlier:

"I think some big Islays get much bigger, broader and deeper after even a period of months in an open bottle (whereas some more delicate whiskies get flatter and stale after too long in an open bottle--particularly if there is more air than whisky in the bottle)".

So I'm curious to ask: Can you remember something about what the differences consisted in?

Gunnar

the older was percieved (among those who prefered it) as not so peatie but with a longer mellower and more rounded finish the felt that the "fresh" was quite powerful but short lived.

those who prefered the "fresh" version felt it had a bigger hit of peat.. was more forward and ended cleaner, the thought the other finished poorly becoming less attractive..

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If the peat had started to fade, then maybe 6 months is a little much. Perhaps a bottle that had been open for only a few weeks would show the best from both of the two! Just a guess..

Anyway it's good for me to see that at least two contributors on this NG have somewhat similar experiences that I have on this topic - maybe I'm not insane then : )

Gunnar

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Hi I don't think you are... Bought an Ardbeg 10 early October and was less than jubilant on tasting it. However, early in November it was definitely in shape the way it should be. Not the best of whiskies, imho (3*- in my system of 1-4*) but quite a nice dram anyway :-) Anders

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