Looking for lab to test for TCA

Two nights ago went to a favorite tapas bar that has a good wine selection at very good prices. They always have a couple of wines by the glass, but we decided instead to pick up a bottle of an agreeable Rhone product we had had a few months before. Did not mean to drink much, but preferred to pay the $15 for the wine plus a buck or two corkage, even if that meant leaving some in the bottle.

Popped the bottle and, oh oh, the taint was there. I did not want to get into a debate with the staff, so ordered another wine by the glass--which had feel of a an old wood armoire, so did not drink that one either. Ruined my mood for the evening.

The prior week at a Spanish trade tasting I ran into a definitely corked Rose and an off red. The exhibitors had not tasted the wines before they served them. Upon my pointing out the likely defect, they replaced the bottles and both wines were fine.

That was a long-winded preamble to the question at hand. Are there any laboratories, preferably in the US, that will test wine samples for TCA at popular prices?

Every time I run into a suspected TCA tainted wine, I would like to have it tested to confirm my impression.

I am aware of ETS in California, but the price is a bit steep for me. So, suggestions please.

Thanks.

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Leo Bueno
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Leo, you really should have returned the bottle. I no longer have any qualms about doing that as most restaurants understand all too well and simply return the damaged wines to their wholesaler. To me, that's much better than suffering through an evening courtesy of a corked wine.

Why? Don't you trust your own impression? To me, there is rarely any doubt that a wine is corked. If it's corked enough for you to suspect it, why do you need confirmation?

AFAIK, ETS is the only outfit in the US that routinely tests for TCA. However, any reasonably equipped testing lab has the capability of doing it. You can detect TCA by both HPLC and GC, so any lab that does drug testing could do TCA testing provided that you can supply them with an authentic sample of pure TCA to use as a standard. The problem will be convincing a lab to do it if you're only giving them business every once in a while. It is a bit of work to retool a chromtagraphy setup for a different standard.

Mark Lipton

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Mark Lipton

I have returned wines by the glass that were undrinkable because of poor storage or being opened too long. Went to a nice restaurant in Tulsa and ordered a glass of the Chandon Pinot Menuier. I have had it in the past and enjoy the wine but this one was bitter water. They opened a new bottle no problem at all.

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Lawrence Leichtman

This was a place where I know the owner; he was not in and I did not want to hassle with the new staff with whom I am not well-acquainted. On second thought, though, I should have sent it back as you indicate.

There are some wines that are clearly corked, however, there comes a point where they are close to my detection treshold (which, by the way, I don't know what it is) so it would be psychologically satisfying to know accurately how much TCA was in the product.

I am also starting to think that there is another chemical or group of chemicals that produce what I call the "old armoire" feel, where the wine loses the fruit and takes on an old woody drawer scent.

I am wondering whether that sense is a function of the matrix in which the TCA is found; have only gotten it from red wines. That was the sense from the wine by the glass I also did not drink that night.

I'll keep looking for one that'll do it. Sigma-Aldrich sells TCA as well as a Spectra Chemicals [I think that was the name], which, by the way, would not sell me their standard solution because I was just a private person.

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Leo Bueno

I doubt you'll find a better price. ETS in St Helena - in the same building as the Napa Vintners - is the premiere lab. If you're ever in their building, you'll see labs filled with glassware and white-coated technicians.

Dana

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Dana H. Myers

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