Re: Lobsters, "Champagne" and the French

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This is a fairly good summary of "wines that have bubbles", around the world and the laws and customs used in various countries. Brut apparently was used as early as the 1400s for something else other than Champagne. It also is used as the name for men's scents, as well as several other uses. There is no telling what will or will not confuse some people in some countries. Given a huge amount of money for federal and perhaps international court expenses, you might win a case involving the usage of the word Champagne. However I doubt if you would win a case with the usage of brut unless it is in reference to a men's scent or perfume. Then there is the question about how close a spelling has to be to that of a protected word. I believe that some computer software company named a low cost OS Lindows, or something close to that. Microsoft was not amused. In a case such as this, many will change the name rather than spending a fortune in having to go to court to defend themselves against a giant company such as Mixrosoft and perhaps have appeals going on for many years. In the US, one usually is allowed to name their company with their own name. I don't know if anyone changed their name so it could be used as a company name for some sales advantage. In pre-WW2, a small village was renamed the same as a Scottish town so Japanese made "Scotch" could be sold as coming from a town usually associated with true Scotch.

Also if you use a word with a legal restriction in print without noting copyright, or other notice that it is a word with a protected meaning, you are likely to hear from a lawyer for the company that sells a product with the protected name. This is to protect the company in case they are involved in legal proceedings involving the usage of the word by someone else. It helps establish proof that the company tried to protect the name.

I'm not sure if you were quoting me Ian but what I said was: "I understand your point Dale but I honestly don't believe that anyone with a brain in their head would confuse $4.00 Andre with real champagne and if they don't have a brain in their head it wouldn't matter anyway." Not meant to be arrogant just the reality as I see it. In my experience people who buy $4.00 wine are not likey to buy $40.00 becasue they didn't know that the $4.00 wasn't real French Champagne. It doesn't change the argument that it's just plain wrong to label a product as Champagne that doesn't originate from Champagne I simply tried to put into perspective the reality of the market that I live in.

"Bi!!" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Not quite the same spread but I was tasting Moet White Star at 29.99US and Moet Nectar Imperial at 41US. People did move easily up to the Nectar- a creamier richer fuller mouth feel than the White Star. It made me feel like a genius salesperson upselling like that, too bad I only had 6 bottles to sell! So even the relatively niave palates to which I was selling could appreciate the difference, or at least the difference that was projected ;-)

Do you like these? I just don't really "get" bubbly sweeter than Brut. I don't need no dosage wines, but extra drys and demi-sec just don't click for me.Funnily, I can quite enjoy off-dry red/rose bubblies like Cerdon Bugeys, or that Banfi one.

DaleW wrote in news:b0af00f6-07e0-4722-9064- snipped-for-privacy@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

Oddly enough I didn't really like the Nectar for myself, but did appreciate how it would sell if presented. For me the wine is important so the fruit is a big thing, I tend to like blanc du blancs as a rule, (Think sparkling chablis) I absolutely detest the Banfi if by that you are refering to Brachhetto d'Aqui it tastes like strawberry soda. but if it has moscato in it I tend to like it even though sweet. To each their own.

rock lobster Jasus edwardsii and the green or packhorse rock lobster Jasus verreauxi.

and 15 kg (33lb) while the red rock lobsters are generally smaller but have been weighed in at 8 kg (17lb).

discussion) NZ rock lobsters migrate in large numbers over large distances.

lobsters have been recorded.

south-eastern Australia (New South Wales, Victoria, Tasmania and South Australia.)

Western Australia, where an entirely different species, the Western Rock Lobster, Panulirus cygnus is harvested in a sustainable manner.

American market.

Allen Brothers at

supplies high end meat and fish all over the US. If you go to their site, you can see what kind of tails they sell. They sell West Australian tails in 8-10 oz and giant 20-24 oz sizes. They sell New Zealand tails in 6-8 oz size. They also sell South African tails and Maine and Canadian tails. Perhaps the color photos will allow you to identify some of them. Their most unusual tails are from giant prawns and are 5-6 oz each! They are caught in very deep water near Africa.