Re: TN: 1999 Ch. Ste. Anne Bandol Cuveé Collection

Mar 21, 2006 10 Replies

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>
>>Consumed last night with grilled elk steaks (a Hugh Johnson recommended
>>pairing - dead on)
>>
>>nose: brambly blackberry and a slight meatiness
>>palate: big, loads of berry fruit, lightly tannic with good structure
>>and a noticeable meaty character, long finish
>>
>>This 98% Mourvedre cuvée from the Dutheil sisters was purchased
>>ex-domaine while visiting there with Mike Tommasi, Nils and Christina
>>Lindgren and hand-carried back to the US. Still young and somewhat
>>tight, it really benefitted from the pairing with the elk, which brought
>>out the fruity elements and rounded out the wine nicely. A really good
>>wine and a good food match, there is no hurry to drink this puppy as
>>it'll easily go another 5-10 years.
>>
>>Mark Lipton
>
> I struggle to think of a decent red wine that wouldn't go well with a
> elk steak that has been brought within five feet of the flame and held
> there for a scant fifteen seconds or so per side. An elk backstrap is
> a wonderful thing.
>
> That being said, the Bandol gets a comment. I've only tasted Bandol
> twice, and I don't recall the vintner. The first bottle was in a
> restaurant specializing in mussels done in a dozen or so
> styles--almost all good, but admittedly not a perfect foil for a red. >
> The bottle had a nose that would gag a stable mucker and the taste
> followed through on the promise of the bouquet. Even a friend who will
> gag down almost anything, found it unbearable. The waiter and maitre'
> when summoned both confirmed to us that the wine was correct and that
> was the way it was supposed to taste! We still returned it and ordered > something else.
>
> After an otherwise delightful lunch, we retired to the friends house
> where he recalled a Bandol that he had in the cellar. This one was
> eighteen years old, rather than the five year old we had (or didn't
> have) at the restaurant. We opened, swirled, sniffed and swirled again
> only to be greeted with a much cleaner stable and animals that
> apparently had benefited from a better diet. Still not good, but at > least drinkable.
>
> Mourvedre always seems to my taste to be barnyardy (newly coined
> descriptor), and while it seldom achieves the rancidity I encountered
> in one day in those two Bandols, it isn't on my short list for good > experiences.
>
> Maybe I should revisit the grape in general and Bandol in particular?

Mike T apparently being out of town (he usually hears the word "Bandol" mentioned on the NG even while fast asleep) I will go in and vouch for the worthwhileness of such a visit.


Cheers


Nils Gustaf

I think that the Tempier rosé is one of the best rosé's you can find.

Regards, Robèrt

Does elk taste the same as venison,? they seem to be bloody big deer.

Every day one learns summat new.

thanks Mark and Ed

"John Taverner" wrote in news:c%7Uf.262223 $ snipped-for-privacy@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

When I was younger and ate more game, I found that the rough comparison between at least US versions was that venison was similar to lamb and elk was similar to beef. (NB neither tasted like chicken!)

"Robèrt Koopman" skrev i meddelandet news:44206731$0$2020$ snipped-for-privacy@text.nova.planet.nl...

I would agree that you will find very good rosé in Bandol - however, I tend to doubt the QPR [1] - the prioce of the rosés are bolstered by the reds and frankly, they are not as good as that - but they do be good.

Cheers

Nils Gustaf

[1] I claim first-hand knowledge of only a handful of producers, so I would be a fool to generalise

This is so true. Here in Newfoundland we get Caribou from mainland Labrador and Caribou from the Island. Most agree that the Labrador caribou is much much tastier.

Myron

Thanks for that - I didn't know about NA elk.

NA moose and E elk are indeed close relatives, but there are differnces, I understand. And, yes, elk is very lean and not as gamey in taste as some other game. My dad claimed elk and cows could breed, but it sounds a bit unlikely to me. Rural legend, perhaps :-)

Anders

"Ed Rasimus" skrev i meddelandet news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Oh dear (oh deer?)

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this is the bull. UK English elk, Swedish älg, French elan, latin alces alces. Prime hunting stock in Sweden, makes to country grind to a halt early autumn because everybody (except yours truly) is out hunting elk. I don´t know if cervus canadensis is a true species, or a sub-species of cervus elaphus, in which case cervus elaphus canadensis would appear more appropriate - cervus elaphus would be the red deer in UK, kronhjort in Swedish, cerf élaphe in French ...

HTH

CHeers Nils Gustaf

In fact the Fallow deer (Dama dama, daino in Italian ... ad nauseam) is considered more gamey than the Red deer. Alces alces tend towars beef, but older individuals taste a bit like beef liver. Roe deer (Capreolus capreolus), which I refer to as Bambi (because in the Swedish translation Bambi is a roe) is also rather gamey. Any of them would do well with a bandol with lots of Mourvedre, which, as I recll, was where we started.

Cheers

Nils Gustaf

Answering as one to whom English is a second language, I would say that venison is all deer meat. The problem is the naming issue concerning cervus elaphus over the Atlantic - some blunderbuss-toting hunter who named the incumbent variety of c elaphus 'elk' rather than 'red deer'. According to the Wikipedia venison is NOT the meat of 'elk', but, I would suppose that they are referring to 'elk' as in Alces alces. Once again we appear to find that English is the language dividing Americans and British.

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