TN: d'Yquem 99, various Beechworth & a question

Had the opportunity to attend a tasting on the weekend of the 99 Yquem and various wines from the Beechworth region. Due to the price constraints I have never owned a bottle of Yquem and had only drunk it on 2 occasions (both of which were at lengthy wine dinners and they always seem to serve the Yquem at the point of the night when my notetaking becomes somewhat sporadic :) ). I had been unwell on the day before the tasting and was "just" recovered enough to attend, I mention this as I feel it may have interfered with my ability to fully asses the wines tasted (reds only, strangely enough).

Chateau d'Yquem 1999 A huge blockbuster of a wine, rich golden and viscous to look at. Intense sweet, spicy aroma, volatile, luscious and concentrated, dominated by sweet dried apricots and some asian spice. Concentrated botrytis character in the mouth, apricots & peaches evident with some honeyed tinges. Enormous natural acidity all combining into an outstanding package. I don't know why this wine hadn't made such an impression on the previous occasions I had it (I was probably just too pissed :) ) Talking to the rep I learned a few of those things everbody else probably knows about this wine, that it takes 1 vine to produce a single glass of it. That berries are harvested individually when they are ready and there can be up to 8 picking passes through the vineyard. That kind of care & concentration is evident. Whilst I loved it I had to think of the budget and bought only a single 375ml ($199 Oz).

Castagna Allegro 2004 Beechworth Victoria (a Rose made from Shiraz) Light musky pink in the glass with a pleasant, pretty nose of Strawberries and wild flowers. it was quite simple in the mouth a little sweet pink fruit and a little acid. Good for picnics maybe.

This is where I started to think something was wrong as I had attended the launch dinner of Castagna and enjoyed this wine then - Light salmon pink colour with a nose of strawberries and red cherries and a whiff of rose petals. There is abundant red fruit on the richly textured palate with a tingling acidity and light tannins. It finishes well with a sweet, spicy tang that lingers. Delicious. Hmmm.

Sorrenberg Sauvignon Blanc Semillon 2003 Bright pale straw colour. The nose displays some yeast, biscuit and confectionary. Mouthfilling palate, with flavours of spice, confectionary and musk emerging over a yeasty background. Excellent length and depth. Not typically my preferred style of white wine this one was outstanding.

Sorrenberg Chardonnay 2003 Pale golden tint with a buttery nose and some toasty oak and peaches. Palate follows the nose with some nice creaminess, followed by some yeast & almonds and then a rancio character emerging, very nice package.

After this I tasted Savaterre Pinot Noir 2002, Golden Ball Shiraz 2002 & Castagna Genisis Syrah 2002. I will not post my notes (I'm going to discard them entirely) as I could detect virtually no fruit characters or any defining characters that weren't unpleasant. Mostly my descriptors were medicinal, metallic, burnt toast, leather, dust etc. though I seemed to be able to pick the acidity fairly well. These were all at odds with the other people I was tasting with (several of whom I know and whose opinions I respect). Once I reached the Castagna Syrah (a delicious wine with sweet black fruit a twist of black pepper and great finesse) and found it unpleasant I knew it was time to leave even with 5 wines still untasted. Oh well. This has never happened to me before, having my palate betray me. I have had it fatigue and I have been at odds with other people over wines many times, but I have always tended to agree with myself :) . There is a consistency to my notes that I can generally rely upon, tasting and noting the same wine months apart and then comparing the 2 notations reveals this. (not that I do it to test my consistency but I will taste at trade shows & wholesaler tastings and have reps bring product in and often I can't remember if I have tasted that particular wine (which is why I make notes in the first place :) ) when I bring those notes together they often look remarkably similar.) Has anybody else had this problem before? (Jodie it called it "Vinous Impotence" a term I both liked and hated :) ) Cheers Andrew

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Andrew Goldfinch
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I just bought a couple of 1999 375's for $110 USD. A quick comparison showed $199 Aus=$156 USD so it's a bit cheaper here in Ohio which is a surprise since we have fairly high State mandated prices here in Ohio.

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Bi!!

Which is a big part of the reason I don't know much about European wines. I see Dale's posts about what he pays for some of his wines and when I can find them here in Oz they are always MUCH more expensive. He has talked happily about wines he has paid $23US for and the same thing here costs $70Oz. Size of the market, tyranny of distance, the reasons are obvious, but still irritating! Cheers Andrew

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Andrew Goldfinch

No they are no, Andrew. I strongly disagree with this assertion. If you know where to shop and buy wines en primeur you can pick up wines as cheap or cheaper than in the States.

Ron Lel

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Ron Lel

I guess you do! I just saw the '99 in 375s at the Wine House (a not particularly cheap shop) for ~$70US.

Tom S

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Tom S

Andrew Goldfinch wrote: >

"tyranny of distance" :) i like that phrase a lot. Is it from a song? Sounds familiar.

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potatoman

Hi Ron Sounds good, please let me in on where you shop. This has consistently been my experience at The Wine Society, Nicks Wine Merchants(& Vintage Direct), Randalls, Armadale Cellars, Old & Rare Wines & Caulfield Cellars. These are the places I have either bought or priced European wines. If you know somewhere on line or off line in Melbourne that has great priced, great drinking European wines I would love to hear about it. Cheers Andrew

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Andrew Goldfinch

Hi Andrew and Ron,

I would ordinarily suggest Dan Murphy's as by far the cheapest wine retailer around. I think you get further discount for buying 6, or it might be 12, mixed or straight.

However given their low turnover of premium wines, I'd suggest many of them are corked. I'd would say many of the bottles of vintage Grange and premium vintage French bottles have been sitting in class cases exposed to light and higher than ideal temperature and low humidity for quite some time.

Perhaps drop in and ask about their corked bottle return policy and compare some prices.

Occaisionally they have premium wine sales. They are supposed to do price matching, so if you find some cheap price via one of Ron's suggestions you should get it even cheaper there.

I would just make sure you could return it if it turns out to have gone to the dogs.

I love Dan's, but unless I had an iron-clad return policy, I would not risk an expensive purchase.

Please let me know how you go if you do go to Dan Murphy's. I know the range would not quite be the same as a speciality wine merchant [ie specialising in Burgundy for instance] but there are certainly some very interesting items there.

Mat.

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Dan's is not the place to buy fine wines. You may occasionally pick up a reasonable bottle of Burg but generally prices are too high. There are a few places to try, but a decent starting point is Inetrnational Fine Wines, formerly called Fine Wines of Europe, eg you can pick up the Chandon De Brialles Pernand Vergelesses !er Cru Ile de Vergelesses for about $59.00 Aud nd the Corton Bressandes GC for $112. You can pick up some pretty decent Austrian wines cheaper than I could get them in Austria. There is a decent range of Burgs and Bordeaux especially the latter on indent. The Spanish are also worth a look

Randalls you have already mentioned - I am surprised you think they are expensive. Another place to look at is Europa Wine Cellars.

Auctions are also interesting. MW wines is generally cheaper than Langtons and the clientelle less knowlegeable. I picked up some Seville Estate Chardonnays for $10 a bottle - absolute bargain. Rhones tend to go for good prices at MW. As I gather you are in Melbourne, you should get in touch. I have some old Bordeaux that are starting to feel lonesome and will need drinking.

Ron

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Ron Lel

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Dan's is not the place to buy European wine. Try International Fine wines, formerly known as "Fine Wines of Europe". I assume from the shops you mention that you are in Melbourne.

I have picked up Austrian wines cheaper there than i managed to get in Austria eg Alois Kracher They also have a decent offer on Domaine Chandon De Brialles at the moment. As I am also in Melbourne, you should get in touch.

Ron

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Ron Lel

Hello Ron,

I mentioned they are supposed to beat any advertised price. So if you see something cheap in a catalogue etc and Dan's have it you should get it even cheaper.

So if they have something ticketed at $1 000, and you find it somewhere else [non-liquidation etc] at say $450, at least technically they are supposed to beat that price.

They have a comparatively small range however. And as I said you'd want a guarantee regarding returns, as the bottles seem to sit around for a long time.

For the purposes of our experiment, I thought it might be worthwhile to go and have a look, and ask if they match prices on premium wines (their adds say they do) and more importantly if they have a returns policy for inferior wines.

I know for domestic wines they are invariably much cheaper, but I was curious as to international stuff, particuarly premium wines.

Mat.

PS: I know Langton's, but what is MW?

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Mat

Sounds like a good idea! I live in Caulfield South and work on St Kilda Rd. Whereabouts are you gentlemen located? Perhaps we can get together for an offline tasting. Cheers Andrew

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Andrew Goldfinch

Hello Andrew and Ron,

I live just outside of Frankston. Yes yes I know.

Well I think it would be quite interesting meeting you both, but I am way below your station. Enthusiastic amatuer would perhaps best describe me, as I think you will have noticed from my many and much-dribbled postings. :D

I've googled previously, and Ron I know you are a big bridge man, but that is all I can gather. And Andrew without blowing your cover I am pretty sure I know a bit about you. Does the phrase "white maggot" or "are you blind" mean anything to you?

I'm just joking, I really don't follow that sort of thing that closely. Didn't mean to give you flashbacks or anything.

And I'm not a crazy cyber stalker either in case you're wondering. Its just nice to build up a picture of some of the characters that hang around here.

O as an aside, the folks just returned from Adelaide with much booty, including quite a few bottles of various McLaren Vale which I know is an area you love Ron. I managed to liberate a few from the oppresion of Mum and Dad's house, and am greatly looking forward to them.

If you are interested I will have a look in the ol' cellar and tell you what they are. Mostly ~$20-ish examples, but some of them Halliday has rated highly.

They also visited Tinlin which blew them away for the quality you receive for the ridiculous prices. I might have to start a thread on Tinlin as it has got me quite curious, particuarly as they apparently supply wine to other producers who slap their labels on it and sell it as their own so I am told.

Okie dokie have a good one,

Mat.

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Mat

Well that saves me from having a crack :)

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One of the great beautys of wine appreciation is that in something as subjective as taste there is no right or wrong. This means there are no stations, you will taste sometimes with people who are able to name some of the aromas and flavours whose names elude you. Sometimes you will be the one to identify an elusive flavour or aroma, having others to taste with improves the experience.

Yes, I have to plead guilty to this Mat. I am now too old, too fat & too slow to play footy so this makes me a perfect field umpire. I run around on Saturday afternoons in the Southern Football League, mostly Second & Third Division Seniors.

closely.

I'm glad you're not a cyber stalker as I was starting to worry :)

It's not just Ron who love McLaren Vale :) There is some great value to be had in the Vale for around $20. I was there January last year and brought back about 6 dozen wines and plenty of mail order forms. I have a few Mitolo Savitar 2001's that is just the most incredible wine, intensley fruity with great depth of flavour and complexity. I would also like to pull the top of a quality Merlot for you Mat. :)

I wasn't familar with Tinlin but Google fixed that up, it does seem very cheap from what I could find. It is also very common practice for Winerys to onsell wines they don't wish to market themselves (for any number of reasons).

Mat if you (and Ron too )are interested in getting together to taste some wines email me direct & we can exchange phone numbers. Cheers Andrew

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Andrew Goldfinch

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