Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.
California, because the French wines I've tried
have a sort of spicy flavor that I don't like.
I don't know whether this is due to the grapes,
barrel oak, or what. California wines have a
cleaner flavor. I suppose some people must like
the French flavor, otherwise they wouldn't make
it that way.
Australian reds, california whites. French wines seem thin to me, either too
dry and flimsy bodied or in the case of wines like Vouvray and other desert
wines too syrupy. Australian reds (shiraz is my favorite table wine but I
like most of them) seem better balanced. I also like one Hungarian wine
called Egri Bikaver (Bull's Blood of Eger) that is a dry, full-bodied, blood
red wine. The most suckass wines of all time are German wines, for me. The
very best I have had were Spatlese or Auschlese, way too sweet. I have not
had a wide variety of German wines. I do like Gewurtztraminer as a desert
wine, it is at least spicy enough to offset the inherent sweetness.
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT), Dave
shouted from the highest rooftop:
I prefer Australian reds because they're big, rich and very tasty.
I prefer New Zealand whites because they're divine.
una cerveza mas por favor ...
Neither. French wine uses additives like the blood of unborn seal cubs
(scandalously, I found this out this morning, they import this from
Canada's maritime provinces), and California wine uses way too much
butter so they are fattening, plus the butter comes from the Zimbabwean
Giant Yak, which notoriously makes rancid butter. I prefer wines from
the southern Sweden area of Skåne, they are totally natural.
Mike Tommasi - Six Fours, France
email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail
If I only had a choice between the two, I'd choose California wines over
French wines hands down. I have yet to meet a French wine I like.
California wines are much, much more pleasant.
That being said, I also like Texas and Australian wines better than
French and equally to California.
IMHO Battery Acid tastes better than French wines.
Especially their Brut Champagnes... The very worst Champagne I ever had
was a French Brut that cost $150.00 per bottle. The person that brought
it to the New Years party bragged about it's price. He was a wine
purchaser for some store and he'd gotten this one at a bargain price.
It was one of the most vile things that has ever passed my lips!
I wish I could recall the name...
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
California wines. I like them better, though I wouldn't say I *much* prefer
them, as your poll asks.
I also like German and Italian wines better than French wines. French red
wines often seem "skunky" to me, while French white wines usually seem sour
and watery. French dessert wines are acceptable, though.
Oregon is also making some very nice wines, as are New Zealand and
Australia. Why didn't you ask about them?
"Dave" wrote ..........
Dave, there is more to the world of wine than just France or California!
And, how on earth can you just say "France" when there exists such a vast
difference in varieties and styles when comparing Bordeaux and Burgundy or
Bandol - or the Loire and Languedoc - not to mention the Rhone and Alsace or
Your question simply becomes a nonsense.
As a matter of the broadest generalisation, in my experience -
The very best Cabernet Sauvignon / Merlot / "Bordeaux variety" blended wines
I have consumed have been French - however, I have had some excellent
examples from California and Australia.
The very best sparkling wines have been French - No other region or country
gets within cooeee of Champagne.
I have had some stunningly superb Syrah (Shiraz) from Australia and New
Zealand - but, again, the very best experiences I have had have been from
What about Riesling - such an array of styles - and so difficult to compare
the wines of Alsace and Germany. But, in my mind, again, the very best
Riesling I have consumed was French.
Pinot Noir - Burgundy makes Burgundy - NZ in my mind now makes the best
expression of the grape (but I am biased)
Chardonnay - IME - the finest I have consumed was from Western Australia - I
have yet to experience the epiphany which is Chablis or Bourgogne.
Gewürztraminer - Alsace and NZ
Sauvignon Blanc - NZ (Marlborough) may now be the spiritual home - but the
best experience I had was - again - French.
And sweet wines - France - but one cannot ignore Germany and Australia and
Fortified - Spain, Portugal, Hungary and Australia!
Zinfandel - California
Nebbiolo, Sangiovese, Malbec, Tempranillo................!!!!!!!!
Why limit the subject?
Why limit yourself!
I agree with all of what you just said, apart from the Hungarian, which I've
German wines always seem to have a flowery taste, and I've never tried a
nice French wine, although I haven't tried the more expensive ones.
My favorite is a South African Shiraz or Merlot though. They do some great
rich full bodied fruity wines that seem to just pip the Australian wines.
(Waving to Cathy and ducking from Peter L!)
"Lord St.Helier of Gondwana"
Quite obviously Austria is totally unknown in NZ.
Let me tell you that Austria can make wines in major league
quality in the Riesling, Sauvignon, and sweet (Kracher!)
departments, and that furthermore with Grüner Veltliner we
have an absolutely unique world class white grape variety.
In article ,
I agree. I am no wine expert, but when I am deciding which wine to buy,
its usually based on factors other than the wine's origin. When I dine
at a restaurant with friends though, we typically gravitate toward one
of the Australian reds because of the value and the flavor.
"Stan Horwitz" wrote in message
Agree on the generalizations. Dumb.
If I'm dining locally, I often buy a local wine if offered. There are some
rather good ones produced within 75 miles or so.
I just re-stocked my supply for lunch at work and bought some Australian
because it is a good value.
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT), Dave
I like Australian reds. I'd say my favorite would be Rosemount Estate
Merlot. It's also a great value. That said I've had wines from many
other places that I've also enjoyed. I've had wine from Missouri and
Michigan that were both very good.