Can anyone help identify these grapes?

Up in wisconsin I have (I, and a dozen other members of the family, though they dont know it) 10 acres of land, with about 4 acres of woods, and 5 acres of fields that haven't been cultivated about as long as I've been alive. In several areas there are wild grape vines growing. These things are so tenatious (sp) that they've killed off sap suckers by overgrowing them, and are taking over areas of the fields that are nothing but weeds, turning them into large areas of nothing but flat, ground dwelling grape vines. I was told by my father that they were mustangs (he was guessing), and having survived my first winter up there, I decided to try my hand at winemaking. This was my first batch and I followed a mustang grape recipe in a very thin, paperback, purple book that was the cheapest the homebrew store had. No idea what it was called. But the flavor of the wine was so strong my sister could only drink it by diluting it with 4 parts water to 1 part wine. I'm trying to figure out if they are just really acidic mustangs or what. They're about 1/4" in diameter, dusky looking blueish purple, the fruit on the inside is a translucent hinted with green, no purple other than the skins, but the fresh squeezed juice is a very deep purple (and stained my feet for a week). When eating them it makes your tongue feel almost numb/tingly, like when you eat pineapple, but much stronger. What do ya say?

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Mr. Wolfie
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I say they are "wild" grapes. Do they have a very large seed? They could be any one of a number of native American wild grapes. Perhaps vitis Aestivalis (known to grow in Wisconsin). Check out the web site given below. There is a picture of the leaves and seeds. Other native American grape cultivars to investigate are v.Borquiniana, v. Cinerea, v. Lineeeumii, v. rupestris, v. Mustangensis. Some of these may grow in Wisconsin.

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I have lots of wild grapes growing on my property here in Kansas but they are mostly seed. Also, they like to grow high in trees which makes picking almost impossible. And, the birds get to them first.

Bill Frazier Olathe, Kansas USA

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William Frazier

I am guessing they are "River grapes" Vitis Ripara. the reason behind my guess is that they are the most widly distributed wild grape in north america. they are extremly cold and disease tolerant (their root stock was for the longest time the preferred phyloxera resistant root stock being used).

I find them all the time. Use only about 4-5 lbs per gallon and use a lot of sugar. Even then it may be necessary to make a sweet wine out of them. They are VERY acidic. Bill, that grape was one of the parents of those Baco noir grapes you have down there in KS.

They can make a good wine, if you can find a way to control the acid. There should be no foxiness in the resulting wine, which is promising.

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Droopy

Sorry to double on you, but the acidity of riparia grapes declines after frost...so if you can keep them on the vines long enough pick them after frost sets in and use them. I was reminded of that fact from a wikipedia entry:

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Jack Keller calls them frost grapes and has a page dedicated to them on his page.

Dro> I am guessing they are "River grapes" Vitis Ripara. the reason behind

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Droopy

In several areas there are wild grape vines

I really can't speak to the grapes but these guys probably can:

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This is the research arm of the USDA. I have a grape growing book called Northern Winework which refers to them.

I'm in PA and wild grapes in my area are similar to what you describe, I don't know anyone whio ever made wine from ours. Your County agant may be able to help too.

As to the taste, try adding it to some Sprite or something like that, it's an old winemakers "what do I do with 30 gallons of this?" trick.

Joe

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Joe Sallustio

Ha ha - good to see I am not the only one.

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Paul E. Lehmann

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