More Police state tactics

If a pub refuses to follow the police dictat, the police was ask for the pub's licence to be revoked.

Since when was it in the police's remit to make laws?

Are they out of control?

Ban pint glasses to make our pubs safer, say police

POLICE are urging landlords to abandon the traditional pint glass.They are asking pubs, clubs and bars to call time on glass in a bid to stop drinkers using it as a weapon. Instead they want them to use glasses made from polycarbonate,which is safer as it is much harder to break.

Already all establishments in Fareham have been sent letters urging them to make the switch to plastic – or face the consequences if trouble erupts on their premises.

Now the same is happening in Gosport and Havant and police in Portsmouth are also discussing a similar move.

Inspector Jon Snook, from Portsmouth Central police station, said: 'It's a positive step forward. Anything we can do to reduce violent attacks through bottling and glassing is advantageous.'

But Iain Loe, research and information manager at the CAMRA, a campaign group for real ale and traditional pubs, was furious at the news.

He said: 'We feel that it just downgrades the quality of beer. I think it affects the way it tastes.

'It's just like serving a good Claret from a paper cup – it's just something you don't do.

'The idea that all problems will be solved by replacing all glasses with plastic is wrong.

'If someone is going to smash someone's face and they haven't got a glass, that won't stop them, they will just use a chair, or anything nearby.'

If a glassing is reported in a pub that has been sent a letter, the management will be hauled in front of a council licensing panel.

The police will then request that the pub's licence is revoked.

If the panel doesn't agree, police can request changes, ranging from imposing the glass ban, to reducing opening hours or increasing bouncers at the premises.

The polycarbonate glasses will set a pub back £36 for a pack of 48. The glass equivalent costs just £15, although branded glasses are normally given to pubs for free by breweries.

Brian Hardy, clinical team leader at Portsmouth ambulance station, welcomed the move, saying paramedics had to deal with a glassing almost every week.

'It would be a very good positive move. It would avoid some really nasty facial injuries,' he added.

'Glassing is an aggressive move to go for someone's face with a bottle or a glass.

'It's psychologically distressing and if it's not dealt with straight away it can leave permanent scars.

'I'd want to see this is place as quickly as possible.'

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Phil Stovell
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In message , Phil Stovell writes

Reading also has this sort of reputation and we're petitioning against the same sort of demands.

I've been drinking here since 1974 and I've actually never seen a fight in a pub. Are they nothing like as common as the police seem to think, or is it just that real ale pubs are peaceful and I don't go to any others?

NB we use glasses at Reading Beerex and the police don't bother to come round any more.

Reply to
MadCow

Phil Stovell ( snipped-for-privacy@stovell.org.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

What law is "being made"?

Somebody is...

Note that "IF"?

I can't imagine that the typical CAMRA pub has this kind of issue anyway...

As they can do under licencing laws.

Reply to
Adrian

What laws are these then? A glass ban in pubs? I doubt that. I know a smoking ban is imminent;-) Next there'll be an alcohol ban:-0

Reply to
C R Fishwick

Have they banned standing up in pubs yet?

Isn't the more social drinking on the continent all in seated bars not cattle market venues where yuo're forced to stand up. (Are there any stats that prove you drink slower and more responsibly if you're sat down?)

Reply to
Mogga

ISTR a place in Hull ran into problems because they were supposed to be all-seating, but weren't.

I think you do, because it can take much longer to get served if one waiter is running to and fro, rather than just pouring drinks and taking money continuously.

I'm not sure about "more social" though. I find many continental places are asocial, with islands of people sat on their own at their own table, as it is difficult to talk to people on another table in the way strangers talk when stood waiting at a bar or whatever. It presumably makes trouble much harder to cause, though.

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Arthur Figgis
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Stuart Millington

Phil Stovell a écrit :

Hmmm, ever heard of tempered glass, i.e. arcoroc and the like ? Needs four to five times larger an impact to break it, and if this happens, it's in car window style, and pretty harmless... in comparson to good old bottles, that'll always be around in pubs anyway...

Reply to
The Submarine Captain

Poured into a glass by the bar staff, or presented to the customer in a bottle with the appropriate teat fitted?

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Steven Pampling
Reply to
The Submarine Captain

IIRC they still gave you the bottles, it was just pint glasses that were replaced!

Reply to
Stuart Millington

I have, once. It was quite a lot of years ago in the Hook and Tackle and the fight was behind the bar between the staff!

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Paul Black

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