OK, so my mind is drifting a little. Wine people know that Burgundy can be white or red, but "Burgundy" is also used to describe a color - a shade of bluish-red.
We often find "Burgundy" clothing, carpet, paint, etc., and it's all red.
Like I said, my mind is drifting a little, but are the folks in France disturbed because elsewhere in the world the color of "Burgundy" is a shade of red?
As always, I'm just curious, Dick R.
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Thanks Bill. I didn't really think the French were concerned. Just one of my musings.
Dick R. in the USA
I used to call this color "Bordeaux". I think a young red Bordeaux describes the color much better than a red Burgundy does whose color tends to be on the pale side. I'm the proud owner of a shoe polish labelled "Bordeaux/Burgundy". So I guess "Burgundy" may be used by the anglo-saxon people, I don't know. There is also a color called "Ox blood" which is rather similar to "Bordeaux/Burgundy".
I'm the even prouder owner of a Bordeaux/Burgundy-colored Napa leather chair. AFAIK neither the French nor the Californians have a problem with it.
Martin
Here in the Netherlands bordeaux is also used to describe a red type of color. Never heard of the burgundy color here.
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] I used to call this color "Bordeaux". I think a young red Bordeaux describes ] the color much better than a red Burgundy does whose color tends to be on ] the pale side. I'm the proud owner of a shoe polish labelled ] "Bordeaux/Burgundy". So I guess "Burgundy" may be used by the anglo-saxon ] people, I don't know. There is also a color called "Ox blood" which is ] rather similar to "Bordeaux/Burgundy". ]
I believe that the French also refer to this color as Bordeaux. I don't guess the Bordelais are upset, either. (Less succint than Bill, perhaps).
] > Like I said, my mind is drifting a little, but are the ] > folks in France disturbed because elsewhere in the world ] > the color of "Burgundy" is a shade of red? ] >
] I'm the even prouder owner of a Bordeaux/Burgundy-colored Napa leather ] chair. AFAIK neither the French nor the Californians have a problem with it. ]
Just out of interest, does the leather come from Napa? :) Nothing like a nice leather armchair, is there.
-E
Yes, it does. Not all the leather, of course, but the name. I'm an addicted watcher of a German quiz show (quadruple choice questions). The answer to the question "Where does the term 'Napa leather' come from?" is: Napa Valley. I didn't expect that and I have no idea why. Maybe someone in the group knows. Probably it's the skins of the Cabernet grapes - tough as leather ;-)
Martin
This show is rather international; in English speaking countries it's known under the name "How to become a Millionaire".
To be correct, it's "Nappa-Leder" (nappa leather). The provenance is the town of Napa, not the valley, btw.
Probably not. But I can't give a clue - maybe historically Napa was a tanner's town?
M.
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It might be related to the Sawyer Tannery, which operated on the banks of the Napa River from 1869 until closing in 1990, which may have been the origin of "Napa Patent Leather".
Dana
Thank you for this info, seems quite probable. Interesting to note, however, that spelling has changed: In German the leather is "Nappa", while the wine region, of course, remains "Napa".
M.
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"Nappa" in Scandinavia too. Nice to know the etymology, but why two p's? Btw, "Burgunder"/"Bourgogne" are common colors in Norway - last Sunday I checked out a small car for my wife, in that colour! Anders
You must try some other Burgundies, I suggest, Hr. Ing. Schulz. My own experience with young Bordeaux and young Burgundies since first interest in them in 1976 was that some distinctions of hue were consistent, but I would not characterize most of the young Burgundies I and my fellow tasters see regularly today as "pale." (OK parts of the terrible 1977 vintage, maybe.)
I agree, though I lack one. (I will also observe as a general factor on the Internet, widely noted already, that armchairs are important supporters for some of the "factual" assertions available there!)
Finally and further to the main topic, when much younger I worked as a technician for a certain very large university in California known for resplendent bureaucracy. A multi-copy document required for transferring supplies from one department to another contained the awe-inspiring instructions:
"Submit first five copies to accounting office where issued; canary copy to X, goldenrod copy to Y, buff copy to Z, tan copy to W, ..."
Many similar tones of pale yellow. In comparison, Burgundy and Bordeaux are like black and white.
Max Hauser
In the UK we have both Burgundy and Claret as colours.
Well, if it is indeed a reference to "Napa Patent Leather" from Napa, CA, then it is correct to call it "Napa". It's the name of a place and the people in that place spell it "Napa".
Dana
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