Cask Marque

Just read in Whats Brewing that The Watermill at Ings has lost its accreditation.

Cant think why, one of the best pubs in Cumbria for choice - 16 plus a brewery of its own 'soon'.

Does anyone know of any problems there as I was going to visit in a month or so.

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And all Wetherspoons keep theirs. Odd!

It's been a few months since we were there but between us I think we must have tried at least 12 of the beers, and there wasn't a duff one amongst them.

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loobyloo

Has the manager/owner changed, I understand they are awarded to managers and not too pubs?

Rgds, Bruce.

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Bruce Hartley

(of loss of CM accreditation)

It shouldn't take a genius to figure out the slight flaw with that - you'd be running re-accreditation for Wetherspoons about three times a day.

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Steven Pampling

In message , Steven Pampling wrote

Probably more of a case of not paying to be included in the list.

No problem. If it's the area manager who has the accreditation it can be displayed by all the pubs in his area.

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Alan

No the licensee of the Watermill hasn't changed. He was surprised to find that he was no longer accredited. I think he decided he didn't want to pay any longer. Beer quality was superb.

Brett

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Brett...

Hi Brian here from the Watermill Inn I decided not to continue with Cask Marque Sorry saving up to pay the builders on pub extension and Brewery! Im a bit disapointed Cask Marque decide to publish a list of pubs no longer "accredited". Which has given quite a lot of people the wrong idea or was that the idea!!!!!!!!!! It should read pubs no longer wishing to pay the FEE. Thanks all for mentioning this and to Brett for coming up here to quality control test our beers as Camra members do unpaid for the love of it. P.s Cheers Mike

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all

How much is it to be 'accredited'?

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F9

Quality testing? That is a good one to tell my wife the next time I want to go to the pub :-)

cheers

Brett

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Brett...

Interesting you should mention it: not only do the volunteers spend their own money doing the "testing" but CAMRA also either give a reason for delisting or let the pub exit quietly stage left.

Still, since CAMRA isn't actually extracting money or any kind of payment for being listed in the Good Beer Guide (or local guides) I suspect the licensee regards the award more highly. "Gift" (actually a reward for hard work) vs paid for entry.

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Steven Pampling

In message , Steven Pampling wrote

Publicans who were in the GBG and had a CM paid for the CM content of that publication?

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Alan

I recommend use of the phrase "quality audit" for maximum obfuscation.

Cheers

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Richard Brooks

Eh?

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Brett...

Cask Marque sponsored the GBG and in return had an influence on what appeared in print.

Cask Marque get their money from publicans/breweries so the GBG was, in part, paid for by publicans. Publicans who had their pubs listed in the GBG, and also had a CM accreditation, therefore paid money towards their own entry.

While your statement may be correct in saying that _CAMRA_ didn't directly ask publicans for payment for an entry another organisation that the publicans support paid toward printing of the entries in the guide.

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Alan

Oh for the love of cheeses!

CM sponsored GBG - agreed.

CM had an influence on what appeared in print? - erm, well, sort of - AFAIK CM simply supplied the details of those pubs **already chosen to be in GBG by the local CAMRA branch** which had also paid up to their scheme and passed regular technical examinations of their beer and cellar. Then CAMRA printed a little symbol next to the pub denoting its CM accreditation. What's the problem?

There is, I hope you'll agree, no guarantee of GBG acceptance due to having paid up to CM - several CM-accredited, non-GBG-listed 'Spoons & others would disprove that I would have thought? MikeMcG

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MikeMcG

we use that one all the time -to ourselves and our kids and anyone else who is around!!

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Chris de Cordova

not in our branch, it didn't

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Chris de Cordova

Gentlemen please, in this day and age of course you take the other half...

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Who else is going to drive home? :-)

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Steven Pampling

That statement is totally untrue in respect of the pubs listed in the guide. They had control of the CM "advert" and accompanying text.

The suggestion that CM could persuade the various CAMRA branches to submit CM pubs rather than any other is frankly laughable. I can think of certain members of the campaign who would be more inclined to leave out pubs they would otherwise include if they were under any such pressure.

Publicans get their money from people who buy drinks in the pub, some of those are probably criminals does that make the publican an accessory to the crime? Should the police seize their assets as being the proceeds of crime?

The latter is as ridiculous as your logic since taken one more step toward its logical conclusion ALL of the money for the publication comes from the drinkers. (Clearly you can follow it back even further to the drinkers employer and on back from there...)

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Steven Pampling

I'm still smiling at the thought of someone influencing a certain member of Furness branch.[1] When I said earlier that the idea was laughable, I meant *laugh* till your ribs ache.

[1] Unless of course he was supposed to be influenced to fold the print copy and insert it in a CM representative.
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Steven Pampling

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