Cask Marque

In message , Steven Pampling wrote

Do you mean the advert against the pub's entry?

Surely if a pub had a CM advert against its entry the branches must have been responsible - or is CAMRA no longer run by its members?

I could also name a few.

If the money came from anonymous drinkers there wouldn't have been a problem.

The money came from the representative of some of the pubs included in the guide and the branches submitting the entries must have allowed CM to influence the content against the pub's entries - or was it the publishing fairy.

Look you clearly never read any of the guides that were covered by the sponsoship or you're trolling. Either way I shall this once more just for the slightly slow learners.

Cask Marque had no input into the selection of the pub entries in any Good Beer Guide EVER. The fact that an entry included a symbol to denote CM accreditation is on a par with the inclusion of a real fire symbol in guides that have a real fire as opposed to a gas "coal effect" or just central heating

It did not and the mere fact that you are suggesting it did is further proof y that you have no knowledge of the content. The CM information in the guide was in an editorial section.

They say three times is a charm: Begone Troll. Begone Troll. Begone Troll.

Every person getting a job has an interview - can you really say that you didn't influence one of the panel outside the interview?

What's that, you didn't have access to the panel before the interview? Guess what - CM have never had access to the membership unless specific members identified themselves to CM people who had identified themselves to the member. Last I knew neither set of people went around with tattoos on their foreheads to identify them.

Go away troll.

Following on from Richard Brooks's message. . .

But it doesn't have the ring of "snap inspection".

It has no influence at all. We're all grown-ups who are past the stage where some glossy adverts would influence our choice of pubs.

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haha - does that explain the latest post 'for my attention'?????

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In my branch at least, the nominations for GBG are decided by whoever attends the monthly branch meetings, usually comprising the committee plus a few other regulars, ie about 20 people, who represent the "active" portion of the branch membership (about 10% of total).

I am certain beyond all reasonable doubt that Cask Marque has never had the slightest influence on any of those 20 or so people. And Cask Marque has certainly never featured in any of our discussions over what pubs to nominate for the GBG. d.

AIUI, the fact that Camra members didn't like it is a large part of the reason why the GBG no longer takes Cask Marque sponsorship.

The GBG editorial team (call them "the publishing fairy" if you prefer) has final say over content. They would have had a list of all CM accredited pubs (supplied by Cask Marque, not by members) and stuck the appropriate symbol next to the pub's entry at production stage.

The GBG nomination form carries no mention of Cask Marque.

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I'm sorry Alan but none of the makes any sense whatsoever.

Careful, Alan, or you may be taken to court for libel...

When you put it that way CM sounds almost like the ideal cover for a protection racket :-)

Strikes me that an organisation requiring a 'membership' fee can hardly be subjective and unbiased in its recommendations. Or am I just stating the obvious?

Furthermore, what is to stop *anyone* starting up their own 'accreditation' scheme on a similar basis?

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In message , Kevin Maslin wrote

How many people take much notice of guides or accreditation schemes.

Judging by the quality of beer (not necessarily real ale)

CM does have its advantages though .....one day two branch members visited a pub at the same time as the CM inspector. He had just asked for one pint each of all six real ales , checked them and then the landlord said "It's a good job you two turned up or it would have gone to waste!" Seriously though , those of our publicans who have CM accreditation are immensely proud of it and strive to keep up the quality . But these are mostly free houses or pubs with regular staff. We don't have any 'Spoons or suchlike.