Insanity of the wine industry

I saw the ad in Times. Chefs sounded good, Niman Ranch pork sounded good. But I have to say if I was going to buy tickets to a Pinot event Benziger and Jadot wouldn't be first names I'd hope for (there were 3-4 others, but those stuck in my brain). But hope someone does go and post notes, I'm interested in the food at least!

Best,

Dale

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Salut/Hi Vincent Vega,

le/on Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:10:34 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

You generalised

Where? Not in France, certainly. That's the sort of wild, unfounded generalisation that is getting you a trollish reputation.

This sentence starts with factual inaccuracy and ends by not making sense. Not all grapes harvested at this sugar content taste flat, as Xysch pointed out. Then you say that something would make the wine unstable? The flat taste? The low acidity? Furthermore, what exactly do you mean by "lack of acidity and pH?" A low pH is a sign of high acidity and vice versa.

Because you're generalising wildly. And because in your generalising, you're actually talking nonsense.

They don't add acidity to sweet wines from the Loire, they don't do it in Alsace, they don't do it in Germany, I don't believe for a moment that they do it in Austria, though Michael P can confirm this, and they _certainly_ don't need to do it in Tokaj. So kindly tell me what part of the world do your examples come from?

No. It shows that the person using it has lost patience with the way you skip from one subject to another, you refuse to justify ANYthing you've said, you ignore points made to refute you and you generally behave like a spoilt lout.

My apologies on the spelling of Bill Spohn. I figured most here were to intoxicated to notice that. I was wrong.

Family motto - vigilant even when piddled.....

The French call this "mechage", I believe. A sulfur wick is burned in a barrel. When the barrel is then filled with wine it absorbs the sulfur dioxide. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the practice, except that it is inherently inaccurate. Adding a measured amount of K2S2O5 is much more accurate and accomplishes the same thing.

Tom S

The problem is, you are both abrasive and condescending - not to mention somewhat inaccurate. I don't know where you got the idea that you are the Burning Bush of oenology, but we'd all like to disabuse you of that notion.

You'd be welcome here if you were simply _nicer_. You might even have something worth listening to; but if you step in with guns blazing you're going to get it back - in spades!

Tom S

ROFL! The Canuck lawyer has a sense of humor! :^D

Tom S

The old game "Where in the world in Carmen Santiago" is going to redesigned with stops at wine venues around the world and it will be titled "Where in the world is Mark Lipton this week"

Will accomplish preserving the wine or cleaning the barrel?

Nicer? About a dozen people insulted me and claimed I was an idiot without even thinking about what I said. If someone thinks I'm not nice they should tell me why they think that,, dont just insult me. Im sorry you are so offended by my point-of-view,, but I cant help it.

As far as replying to me,, I am not easily offended. If you have something thoughtful to say in response to my posts please say them clearly and directly,, No sugar-coating necessary,, no matter how controversial your response may be:)

"Bill Spohn" in news: snipped-for-privacy@mb-m21.aol.com...

-- "Enough," he said, "the cough is a mere nothing; it will not kill me. I shall not die of a cough."

"True -- true," I replied; "and, indeed, I had no intention of alarming you unnecessarily -- but you should use all proper caution. A draught of this Medoc will defend us from the damps."

Here I knocked off the neck of a bottle which I drew from a long row of its fellows that lay upon the mould.

"Drink," I said, presenting him the wine.

He raised it to his lips with a leer. He paused and nodded to me familiarly, while his bells jingled.

"I drink," he said, "to the buried that repose around us."

"And I to your long life."

He again took my arm, and we proceeded.

"These vaults," he said, "are extensive."

"The Montresors," I replied, "were a great and numerous family."

"I forget your arms."

"A huge human foot d'or, in a field azure; the foot crushes a serpent rampant whose fangs are embedded in the heel."

"And the motto?"

" _Nemo me impune lacessit._"

"Good!" he said.

The wine sparkled in his eyes and the bells jingled.

Fumus, draco magus Incoluit mare

(Puff the magic dragon, lived by the sea....)

Bill Spohn wrote.....

Whereas Bill Loftin added....

I don't know of Mark's whereabouts, but his mum is currently visiting us here in New Zealand.

So, perhaps his wanderlust is genetic!

"Tom S" in news:Sm2dc.47594$ snipped-for-privacy@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...

Wouldn't it be a solicitor, or barrister, or Writer to the Signet, with a sense of humor, in that sovereign land, rather than mere "lawyer"? ;-)

And this from the country who is the most anti towards free trade **when it suits it to be so.**

The US has one of the most protectionist trade environments on earth; huge subsidies paid to agriculture, and crippling tariffs placed on imports, when the lobby in Washington is strong enough to influence the decisions makers.

So, by your own admission, Washington is nothing more than a bunch of "leftest/democrat/liberal/socialists"

A very interesting position, Shirley.

I am starting to like you!!!

"Vincent Vega" (I choose to call you Shirley - now there was a *real* troll!)

In a pitiful attempt at playing "Tommy" whined.....

What is the use of pointing out anything to you - you are simply deaf, dumb and blind - you refuse to recognise your own moronic statements, despite them being pointed out to you on many occasions by many contributors.

OK - address this non-sensical statement (yours - in your very first post)

"anyone who has a beginners knowledge of winemaking knows that acid additions are currently practiced by just about (every) wine producing nation in the world"

This is patently, a crock of crap - but, true to trollish form, do you retract or recant - nope - you rave - then resort to "poor misunderstood me!"

What you do fully comprehend, Shirley, is that there are regulars here from Mbabane, Swaziland; Murmansk, Russia and Woolloomooloo, Australia who know that you are nothing more than an arrogant troll.

The shame is, that you do seem to have more than a modicum of knowledge about wine(making) {or course, you have contributed little in the way of wine knowledge} - you just have a problem getting your brain out of aggressive reverse!

Perhaps, you may make some sort of amends by starting your next post with "I goofed!"

But then again, pigs might fly!!!

Oh God, it's you bleating again is it Jeremy (or Sheila or whatever your handle may be!)

Please don't tell me that you honestly think that you have actually provided anything by way of * thought provoking discussion.*

This is one the finest newsgroups on the net - and has a history of intelligent discussion - often punctuated with vehement disagreement - however, this has *always* been tempered by the element of *respect* - a word which seems to beyond your comprehension.

This group is truly one of the most international in Usenet - one could hardly ask for a finer resource - if one truly wanted to be part of something very special.

You, Sir (and I use the word in its most liberal form) are a disrespectful, arrogant SOB who has contributed little by way of intelligent discussion.

You generalise; you make patently wrong statements; you never address direct questions; you denigrate a whole industry with innuendo of "dishonest malpractice" based on a very narrow viewpoint - stated as fact.

Nope - none of us believe we are "all knowledgeable" - not one of us, even though we might have traveled to every continent on earth (and some of use have!) - and tried thousands of wine in hundreds of styles from dozens of countries - believes that we know it all.

Every one of us is still learning, and sharing.

I encourage you to start learning - firstly with a few manners.

Stick around Shirley - and stick you typing fingers up your ass - you may well learn something about wine, and people - and, perhaps about yourself.

Tis late - the Gewurz has gone - and so have I.

Vincent, Vincent, Vincent - you haven't got it yet, have you?

The one thing that you have *never* actually discussed is wine!

There are dozens of people here just waiting to read what you drank tonight, the good points and bad.

I personally don't give a diddly squat that you think that you are the only person who has ever had a *honest* conversation with a winemaker - whatever their nationality.

You haven't got it through that 1/2 inch of bone surrounding your brain that there are people here who are vastly more educated than you; are vastly more experienced winemakers than you; have traveled through virtually every winemaking region in the world (and spoken to *honest winemakers* along the way); that there are people here who have tasted and wondered at a 1947 Cheval Blanc - and mistaken a premium vintage Champagne as fish-oil!!!

From you utterings, you do possess an element of knowledge - you may well have something to offer.

Just throw away the "holier than thou - I know everything and you know nothing" stance; and get of your high horse.

You are just a little fish in a very pig pond.

From this point, you make the choice?

Turkey or Eagle?