Michael Prónay: Veltliner pronunciation?

May 24, 2005 30 Replies

Stavo dormendo su un bancale di lambro quando il post di Mike Tommasi mi desto'

Have a nice weekend! His bottle of Chaampagnier (Pinot Noir) popped on the last IHV meeting has pleased everyone. BTW, I contacted Arnolfini and he told me he doesn't sell to simple private winelovers as me, and his local agent too, but I will contact the agent anyway. Would you please remember me the name of the Sauternes you said Arnolfini has in stock and which, IIRC, we drunk at Francone's place in Ne'?

Ay caramba! (in the voice of Bart Simpson) You folks in Europe are as confused about proper diction as we in the USA. :^/

I don't feel so bad now about arguing with my grammar school teachers that "rhythm" has _two_ syllables (despite the fact that it contains only one vowel). Can't you _hear_ them?

Sorry this is so OT, but this thread has definitely gone "sideways". ;^D

Tom S

Schaanpagnier (it comes from Schaan)... careful or you'll get him in trouble ;-)

Cru Barrejats

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France email link

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Stavo dormendo su un bancale di lambro quando il post di Mike Tommasi mi desto'

Oooooooooops! :)

Thanks!

No.

99% due to mispronunciation due to his Swiss/Alemanic German origin. It's well nkown that German speaking Swiss stress (Nearly?) every French word wrongly on the first syllable.

M.

I am not convinced there is ONE correct stress. If you are going to stick French words in the middle of a flowing English sentence the stresses and pronunciation is going to be different from the same words in a French sentence.

I'd say that providing you don't pronounce the "t" in "cabernet", and you get the "gn" in "sauvignon" roughly right, noone is going to worry too much.

Which isn't really tough - just think of the n and y in a word like "nyet" (russian for "no").

^^^^^

It's not the first time I see this spelling which irritates me insofar that I always rhyme it with (Bonny) Doon. Is this spelling for "no one" (which I learnt in school) correct?

M.

Or the "gn" in French.

No. But you knew what it meant despite it annoying you. Maybe one day it will be correct. Language is like that :-).

Recursion is everywhere.

M.

And needless repetition

LOL

Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France email link

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"Michael Pronay" in news: snipped-for-privacy@pronay.com... | | | noone is going to worry too much. | ^^^^^ | | It's not the first time I see this spelling which irritates me | insofar that I always rhyme it with (Bonny) Doon.

You are not alone. English, a hybridized tongue (as you know) that changed more in recent centuries than many European siblings, is notoriously irregular in spelling and pronunciation. (I will not now indulge in the #1 newsgroup vice of eagerly repeating cliché examples yet another time.) (Correction: #2 vice -- upstaged recently by people quoting long postings WHOLE, to add a few words of comment.) (Sorry.)

As I said, you are not alone. President of the US during a turbulent period, a few decades ago, was Lyndon Baines Johnson (from Texas, which had been an independent country briefly and in the minds of some of my Texan friends, still is). (That era in the US was, by the way, not without some parallels in Austria's more turbulent early-20th-century history around the Authoritarian Constitution and the Dollfuss assassination.)

Johnson would read prepared speeches, and trip over words capable of mistake. He complained privately about "misled," a word he did not otherwise use, that he read out loud as "mizzuld." (He complained, but his speechwriters forgot and re-used it.) (This emerged in later biographical writing.)

Native speakers have difficulty pronouncing English. (Even high officials.)

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