Guardian - Beer-v-Wine with food.

In message , Reid writes

Running for cover, more like:)

I must start exercising again. Sigh!

I'll drink to that. make that measure a double.

I'll be cycling off tomorrow to pick up a firkin and some bottles from the local pub. Wish you could join me ;-)

And to you too; and a Happy New Year.

John B

Following up to June Hughes

what did I say?

In message , Reid writes

Nowt. Just keep it that way:)

Well yes. I didn't mean at the gym. Obviously they don't look as utterly naff and generally sad at the gym. Much.

I think it is a very misguided notion which has the potential to alienate countless drinkers. Every time I hear it I cringe. Why discriminate against bottom fermenting yeast? It doesn't know any better.

Absolutely

Absolutely

Wasn't this year's version fantastic?

Following up to June Hughes

I intend keeping Mumm :)

Absolutely. In fact the famous case of one fellow named Carlsberg was a careful selection of a strain that bottom fermented to aid in the production of clear beer while still tasting good. Thereby paving the way for people to spend more time admiring the clarity of the beer rather than drinking it. (and provide a pastime for publicans in the form of glass polishing)

The low temperature maturation in store (lagering - derived from a misspelling of storing by some Germanic folks ;-) just happens to deal with another of the peculiarities of the continental brewing setup caused by using barley with too much nitrogen content. (Why don't they simply buy decent British barley? Then they can use a better educated top fermenting yeast :-)

Should I take my tongue out of my cheek now?

Following up to Steven Pampling

and probably as little to do with what is offered in pubs and drunk by, and promoted to, the millions. I think "lagered beer" is as big a red herring as hand made shoes.

Where did I? I doubt I have ever said or typed "lagered beer" till now.

Following up to 666 snipped-for-privacy@hack.powernet[dot]co[dot]uk (Simon Gardner)

they look sad to you because you have a sad mindset.

Following up to Steven Pampling

Yes, pity he failed! I see the logic of not alienating lager drinkers, but I still hate the stuff and whatever reincarnation of "keg" the industry is trying to fob me off with at the moment rather than do proper cask conditioned beer.

I wonder, on the basis of this thinking, if foodies should find something to praise in McDonalds to avoid alienating those who like them? Perhaps I should stop calling then McLibel or Mcdogburger and call them McReallynotthatbad?

I suppose to be exactly parallel the argument would go, "yes, I know its c***, but a little place in the West End does burgers which are really good, so its OK really!"

Not really, since the short trip to continent takes you into territory where they don't refer to "lager" except to engage the attention of booze cruise Brits.

However most people bothering to read anything on the subject will discover that where the likes of a Pilsner or similar is under discussion the process involves a maturation process at low temperature which has a specific name.

No, but referring to a lagered beer as "Lager" is the kind of water muddying frequently done by trolls and the regular habit of the badly educated. Which group do you fall into?

Is this a synonym for "taste"?

Christ what stupendously world-class bores. Totally mind-numbing.

Following up to 666 snipped-for-privacy@hack.powernet[dot]co[dot]uk (Simon Gardner)

No. Taste is about knowing what you can wear trainers with and what you cant and where you need to dress up and whre you don't. Being sad is more abut wanting to put people down.

Ah, the arrogance of youth. Pity them -- the young haven't a clue what painful lessons age has in store for them -- and leave them to learn :-)

festive regards sarah

The look is the thing, is it? There's no reasoning with a Dedicated Follower of Fashion.

festive regards sarah

Oh, good. (It worked for years on shifting customers out at closing time...)

I see you've fallen for the marketing bilge that implies that the dross from Northampton vaguely resembles the output of the Copenhagen establishment. While not the best beer around things like Carlsberg Elephant are pleasant drinks. Not that I'd start calling them lager.

Remember, the term "brewed under licence" seems to translate as "all that is the same is the name" and the products produced in the UK are often nothing like the original beer.[1][2]