Guardian - Beer-v-Wine with food.

I am with Judith on this one:)))

Merry Christmas to you too:))

O xx

Whisky or gin.

Me? Theakstons Old Peculier!

#I don't believe it... someone who extolled the virtues of standing on Wasdale Head drinking Theakston's Old Peculier now decries the knowledge of Yorkists. The least you can do is stand the right way up when talking about beer....

bag humbar.

Me neither. The beers I like are too heavy to go with a heavy meal. Wine (or whisky) is the order of the day, beer tonight and perhaps with leftovers on Saturday (our Boxing Day visitor prefers champagne).

festive regards sarah

Yes, a rare K&B Xmas Ale (8%) with the nut roast , followed by Youngs Double Chocolate Stout (5.2%) to accompany the pudding.

Sorry, completely OT.....

Swroot, I copied your Christmas Cake recipe, which we've just tried..... It was wonderful!!! Moist, alcoholic, wonderful! Will use that receipt every year now. Thanks for that.

Pen.

You know how it is when you win on a raffle? Or a lottery, or even say something contrary to the statements of a Yorkshireman?[1]

That's right it might be rare for you, but you're wrong.

Murphy Crimble.

Now that's just being silly...

John C

| Dave Fawthrop wrote: | > | > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:03:28 GMT, "Judith Umbria" | > wrote: | > | > | Argh! If I hadn't read (some of) this I never would have believed it. | > | Beer. Gack. So much folderol. | > | > Keep it up Judith, Beer Ugh, even the smell makes me feel sick. | > | > Dave F | | Now that's just being silly...

How can the truth be silly?

Dave F

My pleasure -- as will be the three cakes we've yet to, er, broach :-)

festive regards sarah

me too, but I also know that it can come from a position of some knowledge & experience of having tried several of the major brand lagers that are brewed & sold in the UK, rather than some totally unfounded prejudice.

I think it was a Carlsberg brewing scientist - Emil Hansen & the yeast's Latin name (Sacharomyces Carlsbergensis*) came from the brewery owners. (*now officially known as Sach. Uvarum IIRC)

ah, now that's what I meant when I mentioned unfounded prejudice :~)

what stuff? all lager? hofmeister & kestrel-super thru to samichlaus via czech black lager, german dunkels, vienna style, oktoberfestbier, maerzen?

you mean cask nectar like courage & theakston's best? the natural way of producing the co2 will not make a poor beer into a fine one IMO.

I have not heard anyone say this, (OK I may have only skimmed thru the

I would imagine that some drinkers are aware of the quality of most UK brewed lagers but still like good lager & so opt for something better

- many pubs & bars sell imported lagers that IMO generally vary between OK & superb.

Conversely quality issues arising from brewers &/or landlords (infection or other brewing faults, beer on sale for too long, etc) still quite regularly result in off pints of real ale, which (sad but true) always seems to taste much worse than the blandest lager.

cheers MikeMcG

Dave Fawthrop wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

When it is masquerading as opinion.

snipped-for-privacy@my-deja.com (MikeMcG) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@posting.google.com:

But the reverse can easily result in a fine one being served as a poor one.

It's really is a fact that good (dark) beers vary tremendously depending on how they are served. In my locality I can drink ostensibly the same beer (Deuchars IPA) in three different pubs and it's like drinking 3 different beers. Perhaps less surprisingly (to those who know these sorts of things) the cheaper the pint, the better it is served (and the less poncy the pub). Odd one that.

Following up to June Hughes

yep and Directors.

Following up to Judith Umbria

:-)

and to you and everyone else!

Following up to Pandora

Following up to Dave Fawthrop

the truth here isnt silly, Dave.

Following up to MikeMcG

I don't like lager, that's *the* *lager* *you* *find* *in* *the*

So what? The opposite ruins good beer, that's the reason CAMRA came into existence.